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I don't believe that exists

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I just had to. Nothing serious. One of those things. Flip it anyway ya wish, but this is how I think of atheism:
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Sam: Look what my friend drew for art class, sis.
Carol: I don't see anything.
Sam: But it's there. See the house with a chimney. The front porch. Papa rocking in his chair?
Carol: I don't see anything.
Sam: Then you're not looking hard enough.
Carol: I know there isn't anything there.
Sam: How do you know?
Carol: Because I see nothing: no marks. no colors. no ink. no led.
Carol: Why would you think there is something there?
Sam: Because someone else drew it.
Carol: With what?
Sam: I don't question it. Its art. It's very inspirational.
Carol: Bro, hold on a sec....

Jim and Bob comes out of the blue, listens to both Sam and Carol fuss, and stares at the sheet.

"I see nothing" they say.

Carol: See!! I was right.

Jim: No, I won't say there isn't anything there. I will just say I don't know.
Bob: No. I won't say there isn't anything there. I will just say I don't believe.

Carol scratches her head: Wait, Jim, you are saying you don't know something that doesn't exist to begin with? Bob, you are saying you don't believe in something that wasn't there to believe to begin with?

Jim and Bob: Um, yes.

Carol: What do you base this on?

Jim and Bob: Because Sam said so.

:herb:

Would it be interesting if Sam didn't exist and that paper was still there? and, isnt it ironic that the only thing that Sam, Bob, and Jim base their opinions are not based on what's on the sheet of paper but on the statements of each other?

Carol looks at the paper and says there isn't anything on it. Since Sam and his claim doesn't exist, what is on the paper to which Jim "still doesn't claim he knows" exist and what is on the paper for Bob to consider disbelieving in?

That, and is it logical to base what doesn't exist on what Sam and his friend says does exist or what's on the actual paper?

One last also. How do you study and analyze a drawing that is not there? Concept, yes. Philosophize, yes? Just like Sam, isn't that the same basis their analysis on is the statement of another?

And why take time and energy (and wonder if the drawing exist to begin with) unless you're curious, it helps your well being, or any other number of reasons besides "just because"? (Unless what's on the paper isn't as important as the claims of those who thing there is something or nothing on it?)

There is an actual paper image above. If you can't see it, you're not looking hard enough. :p
 
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Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Sam and Carol are just confused. Sam says something is "drawn" while it is not. Then he says "but is exists". Those are two different things and Sam is just confusing simple English words :D

Sam seems to be either fooling around or have a serious recognition/common sense/logic problem. He first started with "do you see" then changed that to "how do you know" simply as soon as Carol said "I know there's nothing". Carols seems to be a little bet smarter than Sam that she changed the topic to "I know" instead of "I see".

Carol is confused and she seems to still be not so smart to realize that Sam is just confused himself. She keeps saying "but I don't see anything" and " I know stuff" instead of using her head to help the situation.

Then enter Jim and Bob, two more oblivious people. One says "I don't know" and the other says "I don't believe", two completely irrelevant responses. Bob seems to be getting somewhere tho. But at any rate, all of them are oblivious and have no clue what they are saying.

Everyone is useless and have no clue what the world is going about.

Life sucks!
 

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Most of the theistic "God exists, he's a male and omnipresent and omnipotent and the scriptures are taken literally" comes from the belief in a personal God.
Whereas an impersonal God such the universal consciousness using the energy to create infinite number of cosmos are already perceivable and also not.
Matter and energy are part of the cosmic manifested aspect of an impersonal God whereas the cosmic consciousness is part of the unmanifested aspect of an impersonal consciousness.
It's neither theistic, agnostic or atheistic.
 

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Most of the theistic "God exists, he's a male and omnipresent and omnipotent and the scriptures are taken literally" comes from the belief in a personal God.
Whereas an impersonal God such the universal consciousness using the energy to create infinite number of cosmos are already perceivable and also not.
Matter and energy are part of the cosmic manifested aspect of an impersonal God whereas the cosmic consciousness is part of the unmanifested aspect of an impersonal consciousness.
It's neither theistic, agnostic or atheistic.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Sam and Carol are just confused. Sam says something is "drawn" while it is not. Then he says "but is exists". Those are two different things and Sam is just confusing simple English words :D

Sam seems to be either fooling around or have a serious recognition/common sense/logic problem. He first started with "do you see" then changed that to "how do you know" simply as soon as Carol said "I know there's nothing". Carols seems to be a little bet smarter than Sam that she changed the topic to "I know" instead of "I see".

Carol is confused and she seems to still be not so smart to realize that Sam is just confused himself. She keeps saying "but I don't see anything" and " I know stuff" instead of using her head to help the situation.

Then enter Jim and Bob, two more oblivious people. One says "I don't know" and the other says "I don't believe", two completely irrelevant responses. Bob seems to be getting somewhere tho. But at any rate, all of them are oblivious and have no clue what they are saying.

Everyone is useless and have no clue what the world is going about.

Life sucks!

Could be just my writing rather than Sam and Carol?
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Simple solution Carol and Jim are blind to marks on paper and don't know it and Bob was too far away. Sam was being ignorant by not recommending they see a specialist and being understanding to there plight. Sam was also un-neighborly by not welcoming Bob to come closer
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I'd have to agree: Life sucks!

Sam and Carol are just confused. Sam says something is "drawn" while it is not. Then he says "but is exists". Those are two different things and Sam is just confusing simple English words

Yep. His friend drew a picture, gave it to Sam and Sam is telling Carol he sees the picture his friend drew him. Whether or not he actually sees it is always up for debate. People been asking the logistics in that for ages.

Sam seems to be either fooling around or have a serious recognition/common sense/logic problem. He first started with "do you see" then changed that to "how do you know" simply as soon as Carol said "I know there's nothing". Carols seems to be a little bet smarter than Sam that she changed the topic to "I know" instead of "I see".
It's a defense mechanism. Carol is questioning his claim and backfires by saying, "how do you know?" I dont know if he actually wants to know her answer or just saying that to bring on a debate...as I see often *cough cough*

Can't figure the last part.

Carol is confused and she seems to still be not so smart to realize that Sam is just confused himself. She keeps saying "but I don't see anything" and " I know stuff" instead of using her head to help the situation.

She knows the drawing doesn't exist; she bases her conclusion on her inability to see it.

Then enter Jim and Bob, two more oblivious people. One says "I don't know" and the other says "I don't believe", two completely irrelevant responses. Bob seems to be getting somewhere tho. But at any rate, all of them are oblivious and have no clue what they are saying.

Everyone is useless and have no clue what the world is going about.

Life sucks!

No one knows anything, I guess. Think about it, though. I know I exist. (Taking out the Hindu and Buddhist thought now) All five senses and interaction with to others (and so forth) prove my existence is a fact. I know.

If I went to the Department of Motor Vehicles and said "I am Carlita" they'd look at me and say "show me proof".

I have to have the Department of State (etc) vouch for my existence. If not, I'm just a blank slate yet I exist. Maybe the person behind the counter is an agnostic atheist until they receive my Birth Certificate, ID, and SS Card and a Passport to know I am who I say I am.

I think that's the same with the drawing. I'm the drawing but the person who drew me, drew in invisible ink. So it doesn't help with the verification process. :confused: Dont ask where I got these analogies from all of the sudden.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Simple solution Carol and Jim are blind to marks on paper and don't know it and Bob was too far away. Sam was being ignorant by not recommending they see a specialist and being understanding to there plight. Sam was also un-neighborly by not welcoming Bob to come closer

Now that spoiled it. :p I wonder who Sam's friend is. Could be Sam is making everything up and silly Carol, Bob, and Jim are going by the figments of Sam's imagination. (Pun intended)
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Now that spoiled it. :p I wonder who Sam's friend is. Could be Sam is making everything up and silly Carol, Bob, and Jim are going by the figments of Sam's imagination. (Pun intended)

I love it though

Here's a little more

Sally walked and saw the fabulous art, such a beautiful gorilla. Sam is taken aback there is something seriously wrong with sally. George, and Zack came by and agree they see the beautiful country house but when Sam, George and Zack start talking about meaning the problems arise. Sam understands the meaning as country but George understands the meaning as family and yet Zack understands the meaning as loyalty. They all are flabbergasted that the others don't agree with them and find people that support there claim and then specialists to lead them.

Typical Art bunch.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Shoot!

I'm so sorry, I thought the story was shared from another source so I said what I said.

Please disregard my post then. I feel so stupid.

This actually helps with the topic itself and not stupid at all. In fact, this helps with the topic wonderfully.

It shows we interpret and define things in a way so that we formulate an opinion and develop views through our ability to analyze and piece together pieces of information that lay before us both subjective and objective.

The majority of threads are like this one.

When you look at the blank sheet what Carlita provided in the op, no doubt several things happened involving the description pertaining to the "artwork" itself where it in our minds eye, makes it considerably less "blank" as the story is told and the teller of the story itself describing the events based in how we view and precieve the person telling it. It "becomes".

No page remains truly blank with a full mind.

:0)
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
This actually helps with the topic itself and not stupid at all. In fact, this helps with the topic wonderfully.

It shows we interpret and define things in a way so that we formulate an opinion and develop views through our ability to analyze and piece together pieces of information that lay before us both subjective and objective.

The majority of threads are like this one.

When you look at the blank sheet what Carlita provided in the op, no doubt several things happened involving the description pertaining to the "artwork" itself where it in our minds eye, makes it considerably less "blank" as the story is told and the teller of the story itself describing the events based in how we view and precieve the person telling it. It "becomes".

No page remains truly blank with a full mind.

:0)

Yes but... is Sam a girl or a boy?
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
HEY....Carlita !!!!
Who gave you the right to print my MIR !
I'm astounded at the invasion of privacy !
!!!!!
This is followed by a reflection of it:












Do you see it....I can !
~
'mud
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
This actually helps with the topic itself and not stupid at all. In fact, this helps with the topic wonderfully.

It shows we interpret and define things in a way so that we formulate an opinion and develop views through our ability to analyze and piece together pieces of information that lay before us both subjective and objective.

The majority of threads are like this one.

When you look at the blank sheet what Carlita provided in the op, no doubt several things happened involving the description pertaining to the "artwork" itself where it in our minds eye, makes it considerably less "blank" as the story is told and the teller of the story itself describing the events based in how we view and precieve the person telling it. It "becomes".

No page remains truly blank with a full mind.

:0)

How profound! :) @Smart_Guy --->Nowhere Man "What he said."
 
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