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Featured I Don't Believe in Gravity!

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by SalixIncendium, Sep 24, 2017.

  1. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium Veteran Member
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    Sounds like a silly statement, doesn't it?

    So why do we buy into gravity? Is it because we buy into Newton's mathematical equation? Is it because of evidence presented through scientific method? Or is it because we know the earth spins at 1000 miles per hour (at the equator) and we have an understanding that without it, we would be flung into space like fleas being shaken off of a dog (until they hit the ground because of gravity)?

    So is it fair to say that we buy into this scientific theory because we have subjective experience, and not because of evidence presented through scientific method?

    Another scientific theory is Darwin's theory of evolution through natural selection. Like gravity, it is a scientific theory arrived at through use of the scientific method. Yet 42% of the population (according to a poll I made up for this thread) does not buy into evolution or natural selection even though it uses the same scientific method used to arrive at the theory of gravity (systematic observation, measurement, experimentation, formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses). One can hypothesize (as I do) that the only reason that one would not believe in evolution is because s/he lacks subjective experience.

    So In this thread, I would like to hear from those that believe in gravity and do not believe in evolution through natural selection. Why is gravity more valid to you than evolution?


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  2. Lester Tryon

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    Both theories have mountains of evidence. Gravity is. Evolution is happening. The only debatable aspect, of either, is mechanism. That gravity exists is not disputable. That there is a direct correlation with mass, again is not questioned by the sane. What the actual force is, what causes it? Sure, and science is constantly working on these things. Warehouses full of tangible evidence support the fact that evolution happened (is happening). What causes it? Debateable. I have had conversations with kooks on multiple occasions that inevitibly led directly to a disconnect with reality as we know/experience it. So, as far as getting a coherent answer to the question posed, aside from mumbo jumbo, well, good luck!
     
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    Gravity like Evolution are both theories that are still unproven today and I have issues with each explanation and each has had their formulas tweaked along the years to better represent the new scientific data. I have no reason to believe that the tweaking is going to stop and have multiple reasons to doubt parts of each theory.
     
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  4. SalixIncendium

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    And both will remain in their current state of theory until everything that is in question has been resolved.

    Based on what you are saying, though you are in doubt of parts of each theory, you're not rejecting either theory in entirety based on doubt of these parts, correct?
     
  5. Lester Tryon

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    That's how science works. You postulate and then everybody tries to disprove it. The longer it stays around, the more likely it is. Of course it changes with new data. To do else wise would be disingenuous, and pointless.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Gravity and evolution are both established fact. Scientific theory revolves around investigating working details that we don't fully understand in regards to something that we know is already there.
     
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    I don't reject any thing completely, including non-scientific beliefs.
     
  8. SalixIncendium

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    So you still find some truth in Einstein's Static Universe theory? The Expanding Earth theory? Cold Fusion?
     
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    Well, I must say that I do believe in evolution.
    However, I'm not 100% convinced that gravity is holding me on the earth. I think it's because I weigh too much.
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    and the devil said to Him...
    if you be the Son of God, step from this high edge
    and the angels of heaven will come to bear you up

    give it a try for yourself
     
  11. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Ill put this in layman terms.

    Gravity is not considered a theory because.

    Its easy to believe in gravity because you can test gravity in real time to see if it's true. Pick up a pebble. Drop the pebble. Gravity has been witnessed at work. Theory accepted as fact.

    Evolution is still considered a theory because.

    Evolution occurs gradually over thousands and tens of thousands of years. This is not something a normal person can easily replicate to understand the principle. So that is why 42% of people either don't accept it or reject it totally.
     
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    Fools rush in, where angels fear to tread. Faith can do incredible things, but that doesn't mean one should do stupid things, on purpose, and then hope that their faith will protect them. When I see something with weight released in open air, and then without any outside force interfering, see it not fall, at that point I may very well question gravity. Until then, I'll remain firmly planted in my belief of the validity of this long held, and almost universally accepted, "Scientific Theory".
     
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    Careful, science does not prove anything!
     
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    Gravity believes in you. And there's nothing you can do about it. :)
     
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    Wishful hopeful thinking, and the theory of gravity

    Where do we go when the reason’s path ends?
    Remains mystery without end.
    Some believe it is back again and again.
    Others believe it is streets of gold, or Satan’s BBQ in the end,
    . . . and in the end there way is the only way to go.


    Some say nothing is the blessing.
    Others just say they do not know.
    Others do not care to know.
    Some do the rope-a-dope, and wiggle and squirm,
    . . . and in the end they fear what they do not know.


    The theory of gravity never cares nor lies.
    Whether six stores or sixty
    In reality we do not know why,
    . . . and when we flap our arms nobody flies.

    God is not a chess player,
    With the white pieces.
    God is the sea,
    . . . and we are the fishes.

    Go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank A. Doonan
     
  16. SalixIncendium

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    So you are in agreement with my hypothesis that people accept the gravity because of subjective experience, but reject evolution due the lack thereof?

    There is a great deal of evidence for evolution. One can simply go to a natural history museum to observe it. Does this not qualify as subjective experience because one is not able to witness the actual process due to time constraints?



    Oh, and this statement...

    ...made me twitch.​
     
  17. SalixIncendium

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    You first. Please note your observations and present any evidence here that you find.
     
  18. SalixIncendium

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    Can you present any evidence for this claim?
     
  19. MohammadPali

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    gravity is a fact, evolution is a theory. The earth has gravity, so do other planets and stars.
     
  20. SalixIncendium

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    Actually, both are facts.

    You may wish to read this article...

    What Is a Scientific Theory?
     
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