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I do not believe muslims should hate anyone from other religions

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Conscious thoughts, Apr 14, 2021.

  1. Conscious thoughts

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    Today it has been a day of thinking and pondering about why human beings from different religions struggle to live together or even respecting each others. I am sure some muslims would tell that we should not be good to non muslims, but guess what :) the quran do tell us to be good to others no matter religion or not.
    (PS: i do know about verses that seem to say oposit, so no need to pull that trick out of the hat again )

    But i want to share this.

    The holy Quran is a not an anti Jewish or anti Christian book, rather it came from ALLAH to correct the corruption done to previous Divine revelations. Islam is not a new religion, in fact all the Prophet’s of Allah came to give the same teachings of Islam. Muslims don’t despise any non Muslim and cannot misbehave with them from no reason. Allah says in Quran:

    “Allah does not forbid you to be just and righteous towards those who did not go into battle against you (over matters of faith), and did not expel you from your homes. Deal with them justly. Allah loves those who are just.”

    The Holy Quran, Chapter 60, Verse 8

    It is very clearly mentioned here that Allah doesn’t forbid us to be kind and just with non-Muslims. It is also mentioned in Quran that there is no compulsion in religion.

    “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.”

    The Holy Quran, Chapter 2, Verse 256

    There is no compulsion in religion Islam, a person has his own will if he want to expect Islam or not. Islam is a blessing on Mankind.


    So to me i find it a blessing to welcome anyone from any religion or no religion at all in to my circle of friends.
    I will use Ramadan to soften my heart even more, and to be open to any human being.

    Personal growth has already been spoken about in other OP today, and i believe a personal growth is to not hate anyone. to be there for others.

    The text in cursive was from this website
    Quran: The Holy Quran tells to respect other religions (quranreadinginfo.blogspot.com)
     
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    Let me ask you an honest question. How do you interpret those verses that say opposite?

    Even though they are negative verses, I'm sure they have their place in understanding why people judge and behave as they do?
     
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  3. Conscious thoughts

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    Personally (meaning i can be wrong) I understand the "negative" verses more as a warning that actually to be meant to harm others (warning toward once self, not others) (i know this is not a litterarly way of seeing the teaching)
    The way i have come to understand the teaching is that it is meant for an inward growth, and not a means to harm or critique others belief.
    I see the teaching as a tool to become fully calm and relaxed from within, and to end all ego
     
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    When I see negativity in myself or in the external world, I struggle to remember that it's the personal lower ego, nafs, that is the cause.

    As far as sufism goes, Hazrat Inayat Khan who is in our lineage had a prayer, salat, that really reflects my belief and understanding and which unifies both dharmic Eastern and Abrahamic Western religious traditions :

    Most gracious Lord, Master, Messiah,
    And Saviour of Humanity,
    We greet Thee with all humility.
    Thou art the first cause and the last effect,
    The Divine Light and the Spirit of Guidance,
    Alpha and Omega.
    Thy light is in all forms,
    Thy love in all beings,
    In a loving mother, in a kind father,
    In an innocent child, in a helpful friend,
    In an inspiring teacher.
    Allow us to recognize Thee
    In all Thy holy names and forms;
    As Rama, as Krishna, as Shiva, as Buddha;
    Let us know Thee as Abraham, as Solomon, as Zarathustra, as Moses, as Jesus, as
    Mohammad,
    And in many other names and forms,
    Known and unknown to the world.
    We adore Thy past;
    Thy presence deeply enlighteneth our beings,
    And we look for Thy blessings in the future.
    O Messenger, Christ, Nabi, the Rasul of God,
    Thou whose heart constantly reacheth upward,
    Thou comest on earth with a message,
    As a dove from above when dharma decayeth
    And speaketh the word that is put into Thy mouth
    As the light filleth the crescent moon.
    Let the star of the Divine Light shining in Thy heart
    Be reflected in the hearts of Thy devotees.
    May the Message of God reach far and wide,
    Illuminating and making the whole humanity
    As one single brotherhood in the fatherhood of God.
     
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  5. Conscious thoughts

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    A beautiful prayer :)
    Thank you for sharing it
     
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    Hey @Conscious thoughts,

    I really appreciate the effort you put into these topics, and from what I can tell our motivations are mostly aligned.

    That said, the problem I think all apologists for the Quran have to grapple with, is that cognitive science tells us that we must consider that a person's (subconscious) brain often operates in opposition to their (conscious) mind. So a person reads the Quran with love and positive intentions for everyone. That's their mind that's holding that intention. But their brain is operating on a different level. One of the key ways that a brain learns is through finding patterns. Often these patterns are not known by the conscious mind, but the brain spots them and learns from them. The fact is that one of the ideas most frequently reiterated in the Quran is that non-Muslims are bad people. Variations of this message are repeated over 500 times in the Quran. That's more than enough for the unconscious brain to learn from. So this puts the reader's mind in conflict with his brain. The mind is thinking loving thoughts, the brain has learned to be suspicious.

    The next important thing that cognitive science tells us is that the mind likes to think it's in charge, but the reality is that the brain is in charge much, much more than the mind likes to admit.

    So with all the good intentions in the world, people who read the Quran are exposing their subconscious brains to divisive ideas. This is a real problem that all the good intentions in the world cannot overcome.
     
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    @icehorse thank you for taking time to wrote your reply. I Am and I aware of the words and verses in the quran that speak in negative words about others. Why do i not pay a lot of attention to them?
    As far as i have come to understand the teaching those verses are meant for eat times. And i do not see use being in war now.

    And as mention before, sufism is a peaceful path from within, meaning no need to hate or dislike other human beings.

    I believe more and more in an open loving heart toward all living beings.
     
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    And here's the problem. Your "mind" isn't paying much attention to these negative verses, but your mind is NOT in control of your brain, and your brain IS paying attention to those negative verses. It's out of your conscious control :(
     
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    What struck me about your thread title is that Muslims are not the ones who reject Jews and Christians; it is the other way around. Both Jews and Christians believe that they have the only true religion, and Christians believe only they are saved, whereas that is not a Muslim belief. Last night my best friend Duane who is a Baha'i and I were discussing what happens to people of different religions after they die and he sent me the following:

    Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muḥammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans—whoever believeth in Alláh and the Last Day and doeth right—surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.
    Muḥammad ibn ‘Abdu’lláh, "The Meaning of the Glorious Qur’án", 2:62
     
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    Selective bias or reasoning? (I think there's a technical term for it)
     
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    The verse is there yes :) and yes i do noticed them. But my brain is just a tool, my thoughts about the verse is different
     
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    The verse is important, to me but for a different reason than mainstream muslim see it :) I do not see them as an attack on others.
     
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    I hope this video can explain the wrongdoing of those muslims who attack non muslims

     
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    I'll back off after this response. We all share the same physiology. You are no more in control of your BRAIN than anyone else. It's our shared, human condition.

    Your MIND is not in control of your brain!!!!!!

    I understand that this is an unsettling idea, but it's reality.
     
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    My understanding of the brain is that it is only a reciever of information from the body. If we speak of the emotions and other feelings it would be better to speak of the heart. (not the physical heart)
     
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    Cognitive scientists will tend to disagree :)
     
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    :confused: oh poop....:p I spoken to many cognetive Therapists and they never figger me out :D
     
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