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I can't remember if I asked.

Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by Unveiled Artist, Feb 16, 2019.

  1. Unveiled Artist

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    Edit: Rephrased it: (In part) Do you know about the afterlife in regards to abrahamic view? How biological death, the permanent death of awareness is different than the temporary altered states in anesthesia?
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    If the body/physical/brain are separate from the spirit/consciousness/awareness (def. fill in the blank), how is it influenced by the action or state of the body?

    and why is biological death the foundation of living life after death (here and there) and transition continuum (here and here and here)?

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    I can't remember if this exact question was answered directly/specifically or was it derailed. I was fishing for a simple or one post answer. Take the intent as you will.

    Bare with me. I'm not an afterlife believer, so I don't know the context of terminology outside RF.

    Our brain's awareness in anesthesia is temporary
    Our brain's awareness in biological death is permanent
    Dichotomy religions (more than one) separate spiritual and physical
    Other religions separate consciousness awareness and brain awareness

    So. I'm speaking of the dichotomy between physical and spiritual but using the only terms I can muster from RF.

    If the body/physical/brain are separate from the spirit/consciousness/awareness (def. fill in the blank), how is it influenced by the action or state of the body?

    and why is biological death the foundation of living life after death (here and there) and transition continuum (here and here and here)? I tried.​


    :leafwind: If you worried this is an NDE it is not. I'm asking about actual living/life and biological death. Nothing in between nor "near."
     
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    I already did before I logged on. I always post naked. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one.

    If I understand correctly what you're asking here, in my view, the Atman (the true Self that is consciousness/awareness) is unchanging, therefore it is not influenced by the action or state of the body. Atman is simply the witness.
     
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  3. Unveiled Artist

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    Ha. Thank you.

    What is the body called in relationship with atman? Or the function of the body?
     
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    The body is called the jiva. It is the living being in empirical reality.
     
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    I looked that up. Is it something used to observe atman?

    Also, do you know about the afterlife in regards to abrahamic view? How biological death, the permanent death of awareness is different than the temporary altered states in anesthesia?
     
  6. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    I dont claim to know this. But i am of the conviction you can not explain every facet of being with pure physics terminology. There are qualities of being, whether they are physically based or not, that are only expressable with non physical terms; such as love, or empathy, or characteristics of qualities that beings are or possess.

    I am quite sure that everything of the senses and of bodily motion are brain based. To me you could have a body with normal function, and health and nobody home to perceive the functionality of its goings on. So i cant see how trillions of neurons conspire to make an individual perceiver. How do qualities of being get interpreted into physical states?

    There is a unified presence of an individual wholeness that exists. And since for me i attribute the existence of intellect to intentional creative forces, i am compelled to think that there is a soul and a creative reality.

    Since my body responds to my will and no one has located the physical presence of will or the perceiver, i attribute those aspects of being to something extra. Of course none of my convictions are proven, nonetheless they strongly appear to me as though there is something extra to the body.

    But everyone has their own conviction. I dont aim to conform my perception to anybody.

    And a lot of my reasoning for my conviction is experiential with my own logic of observance and it defies words.
    I go through a process of elimination and end up with a ghost in the machine.
     
  7. Unveiled Artist

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    For me, that's not true. As a poet and all the above, there are so many ways to capture what "cannot be express." We talk about love and empathy and sometimes words are what a person needs others a hug.

    To tell you honestly, I don't understand the "there is no words to explain the 'divine'" type of thing. Maybe just the English language, I don't know. Ours is mix and mesh so. Compared to a Jew or Muslim who "knows" (and doesnt) only in their said religions own language and anything outside that language can't describe the totality of god.

    Individual perceive, like a soul?

    I watched a Ted Talk almost a year ago about how our brains make up our conscious environment. Basically, what "we can't explain" is probably a glitch in our perception. When we see a computer, our brains aren't looking at a computer but makes up what we call a computer. Not in its raw form. Then our mental brain interprets what it sees and we call it a computer. Maybe some people got to the perceives to where they see reality before the brain interprets what reality it sees.

    There is so many ways to flip abstract concepts.

    Does it depend on your body? For example, when you go through biological death, does this soul still exist? If it does, what is the difference between it existing after biological death in permanent non-awareness vs temporary altered awareness such as anesthesia?

    I don't know if you answered this. But, I hope it's a bit clearer relating to your comment above.

    You're body is like the car you your perceive/driver?

    Actually, I should have asked first. Does your perceive live after biological death?​

    Pretty much every other of us are doing the same. I'm very open so if I find words to express my "spiritual thoughts" I go ahead and use them. What is the use of calling me a poet if I don't write it. Then, once I write a poem, what's the purpose of the poem if there is no expression within it (is it an invisible essence that can't be described in words) or is the canvas the actual words that describe and is the actual essence.

    In other words, body and spirit reflect each other. That's my line of thinking. At least so far in my journals of how I describe the nature and essence of things.
     
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    Oh. @osgart can you quote me or @page me? I don't always look back at my threads.
     
  9. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    I really dont know if the soul survives bodily death. By all appearances, no. But im open to the idea of it. If created, why not!

    You seem to say that you create words and meanings. My niece did that when she was a kid. Thats pretty cool.

    One word i made up for this creative force is Logia. Logia is an unseen force that functions according to its own meaning and logical purposes, its like programming in nature, it has will programmed into it, its a non living force that constantly adapts to its surroundings, and creates life in like a small window of conditions that enable it. Its kinda like lego sets, it constructs things and adapts things, and has its own unknowable language. Logia. Life Organizing Geographical Information Adapter

    Its like all the stuff in this video amination has a built in language, and an artificial mind and will. Logia!



    Or maybe ya think im smoking the wacky weed or something!
     
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