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Featured "I believe in science, I don't believe in God"

Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by BilliardsBall, Jun 11, 2021.

  1. Rival

    Rival Iiu em hotep.
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    Only G-d can destroy a soul, I'm sure.
     
  2. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Does he/she/it??? Any evidence to back up that statement?
     
  3. dybmh

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    respectfully, this conclusion doesn't make sense to me.

    If God is a mystery, then doesn't evidence diminish the mystery thus undermining God? It seems to me that if God is a mystery, then evidence is lacking by definition.
     
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  4. RestlessSoul

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    It was a rhetorical statement.


    But I do believe in God, for the record. The evidence is all around us imo, but not admissible in any court I’ve ever stood in.
     
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  5. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    I'm not sure; If a soul can be destroyed, I agree. But it's still an "if" for me.
     
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    It would depend on your definition of God. Science studies what can be perceived around us in the natural universe.
     
  7. Rival

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  8. metis

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    Baruch Spinoza used "Nature" as another name for God, and Einstein said that he believed in "Spinoza's God".
     
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  9. Dan From Smithville

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    I do not know much about the nature of the soul even though I believe I have one.
     
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  10. Brickjectivity

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    I think you make a great point, however it is a commonly pressed political agenda. First look at the recent rash of so called communist countries. The USSR pressed the belief that all people could be united through science and rejection of religion. Similarly China presses for faith in the state and rejection of religion. This is also somewhat a political agenda of various actors around the world who see religion as a problem. Have you played the recent Civilization VI game? In it religion is simply another form of warfare and is sinister. Whose decision was it to push that idea?

    Politicians mostly, but it also comes from spoiled teenagers and bored rich time wasters. Most everyone else is too busy to waste time on it. Then there are also those influenced by the political agenda who are less evangelistic, unless they want their party to notice how evangelistic they are. Then of course there are the usual people who've been hurt by churches or religions, or who feel outcast. We tend to be skeptical.

    Its mostly political I think. When people see religion as a problem they look for alternatives, and they may attempt to claim Science is an alternative though it actually is not an alternative.

    I think that it is mostly political. I don't think that the idea is growing in the secular world or is a result of permitting secular laws and secular freedoms. Its really a function of the failures of the churches. Painful as it is, the truth is that the churches failed in many ways. They failed to oppose racism and in many cases enshrined it. They failed to oppose slavery. They failed to oppose child labor. They attempted to outlaw alcohol. They helped instigate wars. They tried to suppress Science fearing that it was too secular.
     
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  11. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    ... you assume.
     
  12. ChristineM

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    Yes i know it was rhetorical. Hence my answer

    You are welcome to your beliefs and i am sure you offer me the same. To me evidence should be falsifiable.
     
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    I don't believe in science. I believe science because it makes it's self believable.
     
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    What can I say:

    The atheist/secular/skeptic community made a good job in advertising and promoting the idea that science and God are contrary ideas.
     
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    Have they? Or do they simply recognise the science required falsifiable evidence which religion has not got
     
  16. Viker

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    Where? Have they really?

    I doubt it.
     
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    So, do you feel that animals believe that "the physical, the material, is all that exists?" Meaning - you think we're separated from the animals only by our ability to believe that there is more to existence than the materials of the universe? Or are you saying that animals don't have souls from the start, and just having this "soul" is what you believe separates a human from other animals?

    Both of those things are super-duper dumb, by the way. Just out and out moronic. So... I guess just pick one, I'll write you off entirely, and then you can continue superciliously high-fiving your fellow Christian believers or whatever it is you do in your free time.
     
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  18. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    May I point out that it was primarily religious institutions that ran the residential schools in Canada that basically stole children from their families to "get the Indian out of them." And who buried them by the hundreds in unmarked graves with no notification to their families when they died. Did their religion give them their sense of "justice?" The slave owners in the US south were almost all Christian -- did their Christianity provide them with their sense of love and righteousness? Or how about the almost entirely religious-based efforts to trample on the rights and even the dignity of LGBT people? Love? Righteous?

    I do not have a soul, but I crave the starry night, and I'm enough of a pianist to play very beautiful music.

    (My list could grow arbitrarily long, including the depredations of missionaries the world over, and the bonfires made of heretics, but I'm sure you get my point.)
     
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  19. George-ananda

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    I think it is unfortunate that many in our society look at belief in science and belief in God as contradictory things.

    And I think in the 21st century the word 'God' needs to be given a broader definition in colloquial use. In previous centuries the word 'God' was equated with the father figure God of the Bible. Today, many believers think more broadly.
     
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    Much the same in Australia and the States.
     
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