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I believe in Gay rights

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by PopeADope, Nov 19, 2019.

  1. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I don't agree with Fascist Italy's treatment of homosexuals and neither does Mussolini anymore. He was a sinner without correctly understanding the issue. Mussolini that I know is a born again new creation in Heaven and has been perfected. On earth he didn't have true understanding of what it is like to be gay, and was under lots of pressure to enforce laws condemning it.

    The voice I hear is willing to not contend with God and recognize that gay marriage is not recognized by God as sacramentally a valid marriage, but lusting after a woman is adultery according to Scripture, and many Christians who bash gay marriage are committing adultery. The Duce wants them to receive the same judgment or condemnation as gays.

    Mussolini's punishment of homosexuals:


    The voice of the Duce within me does not want there to be gay parades and doesn't think there should be heterosexual parades. Sexuality should not be paraded. But if you insist, go ahead. He thinks we should all wave the rainbow flag because it was God's first covenant with man in Scripture. He thinks we should not judge what people do in secret if it is consensual and the Duce wishes as consequence of gay activity to take gay women nice places and show them what a real man is and how to behave like a prince. He wants all Fascist men to be princes and all Fascist women to be princesses leading a noble royal example. He cannot stand Nazis and skinheads for they are his greatest enemy and made Fascism the ugliest stupidest word in politics.

    He wishes to take gay men fishing and throw the baseball with them or something to affirm them in their masculity and get them memberships at the gym and teach them self-defense against hypocritical bigots who bully gays.
    There are actually gay men who became heterosexual after being affirmed in their masculinity and feeling like real men. I've seen one of them give a talk on it.

    Sports increased and flourished in fascist Italy so children were more athletic, physically fit, and they had both mothers and Father figures to set an example of how to be wise, mature, and disciplined, and knew how to spend time in healthy activities like youthgroups. Children were taught that the path of most resistance is often the most healthy approach, for eating healthy and staying physically fit takes sacrifice and pain, so Mussolini pushed children to work and study hard and he did so out of charity for them.

    How physically fit and capable of self-defense Fascist children were and how guns were put in their hands and they were taught how to fire them deterred pedophiles from touching children So parents had no need to worry about their children playing unattended outside and I know of no school shootings in Fascist Italy and the Columbine shooters would have been dealt with.
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    and Fascists made sure seminaries taught priests to be real men, and real men don't inappropriately touch or rape little boys. With Fascist ban on pornography there were less perverts and weirdos obsessed with deviant sex.



    I believe I have every right to defend the most peaceful, tolerant, and non-bigotede Monotheistic Religion I can find. People don't hate Fascism or Mussolini. They hate what they hear about Fascism. Well, they don't hate Fascism if they don't hate Christianity or Islam, Moses, Jesus, or Muhammad, because Fascism is perfectly sycnchronized with those religions, only Fascism seeks to introduce a form of Abrahamic Monotheism where all religions are tolerated and religious bigotry is reduced as much as possible.

    Please find one single fault with what I have said.

    I think I might be waiting for a while.....:rolleyes:
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    Simple fault : you're assuming you're addressing people who are ignorant of Fascism and Mussolini, and reliant on biased source information.

    Whilst that might be true in some cases, it's most definitely not universally true.
     
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  3. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Because no one I meet knows what Fascism is until I prove to them it's not what Historians and Internet quotes say it is. Here are the Fascist Scriptures and Mussolini declares it to be a religion and declares all Fascists must live an austere life that is not selfish, a life that puts others and society first, and a life that is religious and Spiritual:
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  4. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I can actually prove Fascism is more peaceful intrinsically than Christianity, Islam, or Judaism, and Mussolini was more peaceful and humane than Moses or Muhammed (peace be upon them.)

    If you disagree with me, I can prove you wrong. So in view of that, if you disagree with my statement, you don't know what Fascism is or how Fascist Italy was ran by most of Mussolini's nearly 23 years of governing it as a religious leader, religious founder, and in my opinion prophet from God.

    I'm guessing 99% people aren't aware that Fascism is a religion or religious concept so I'm here to show everyone it is. I promote Democracy, not Fascist government. I promote Fascist Religion and morality, not Fascist Dictatorship unless the people decide they peacefully wish to hand over the government to a Dictator as was the case with Mussolini.
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  5. PopeADope

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    By the way, I never stated it is universally true.

    Question...how long has it been since you learned that Fascism is the most peaceful form of Abrahamic Monotheism or knew that Fascism was a Religion? I can prove the other forms of Abrahamic Monotheism are intrinsically more violent by their texts, and can prove their leaders were more violent and inhumane than Mussolini. Did you know Fascism was a Religion, say....10 years ago? Be honest.

    If so, you know more about Fascism than most people. I would bet my life that anyone who knows Fascism is a Religion actually know more about Fascism than 99% of people, which gives me plenty of reason to believe I'm addressing mainly people who are ignorant about what Fascism is and misuse the word like the vast majority of people do. I approach people in real life and have not met a single one of them who knew what Fascism is.
     
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    Yep, ya kinda did.



    You're begging the question here.

    Who cares? Even accepting your premise...and you're still begging the question...why am I limiting my religious comparatives to Abrahamaic monotheism? Are you seriously arguing that Fascism is intrinsically more peaceful and inclusive than Jainism?

    Humbly I would suggest approaching people in real life and arguing that Fascism is a religion, and a peaceful one at that is exceedingly unlikely to get you an informed and meaningful discussion no matter what the other person knows or thinks about fascism.
     
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    Saying that fascist regimes (Italy and Germany as examples) were more peaceful than this or that religion does not make fascism peaceful.
    In what universe was Nazi Germany a peaceful movement?
     
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    I would not consider Nazi Germany a peaceful or a fascist movement and Benito Mussolini was very much against Hitler invading Austria and tried to stop Hitler from invading Czechoslovakia and stalled his invasion of those two Nations.

    Mussolini believed war was permissible under certain rare circumstances if in the end it brings healthier civilization and less suffering. Mussolini condemned racism and Gandhi was his favorite visitor and Gandhi had a very dark skin and mussolini had many Jewish friends.

    The Nazis called themselves fascists but there are also branches of Catholicism that have female priests that call themselves Catholic as well and follow Catholic rubrics and wear Catholic vestments. Hitler's regime was less fascist than the female "catholic priest" I knew was Roman Catholic.

    Her branch of Catholicism was not actually Catholic and Hitler's branch of fascism was not actually fascist.
     
  9. Milton Platt

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    I simply believe in human rights. Gay people are humans, therefore, they qualify.
     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    To be fair, popular representations of Mussolini are commonly inaccurate. But I would suggest they can be both more romantic and/or more damning than evidence warrants.

    He managed to stage a complete political flip flop in his youth (from socialism) and became buddy-buddy with the Catholic Church after being an atheist in his youth...and not a casual one.

    Later he enacted laws that fitted with Catholic and Nazi considerations, if not always whole-heartedly, but didn't exactly keep to Catholic ideals. Rather he found an ally in a pragmatic sense.

    He used what he found around him to gain and maintain power.
     
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