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I believe in Creation ...and Evolution

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Lady Crimson, Apr 24, 2005.

  1. Passerbye

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    Can you explain further or is this another "as a matter of fact" thing?
     
  2. Pah

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    Those who will not see can not see.
     
  3. Passerbye

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    True... but who is the blind one, you or me? Also, you didn't say anything about any of what I said. Do you have a comment?
     
  4. Jayhawker Soule

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    There is widespread if not universal scientific agreement that birds are relatively late vertebrates and that vertebrates were preceded by invertebrates - including insects.
    That science in general, and evolution in specific, reject a schema whereby 'flying' things precede 'creepy crawly things' is a matter of fact.
     
  5. Passerbye

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    Thank you "Deut. 32.8". I'm glad we can agree that evolution and the Bible cannot be mixed.
     
  6. Jayhawker Soule

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    As am I.
     
  7. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Dear Passerbye,

    where in the holy scriptures do you see it proclaimed that the Bible and evolution can not be mixed?

    It's not there, because it's not true.
     
  8. Jayhawker Soule

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    Were birds created before or after ants and worms?
     
  9. Passerbye

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    Besides the time frame insertion there is the problem "Deut. 32.8" is presenting. Evolution shows that things went up from land things to birds. Genisis says birds came first.
    This says birds came first. That is against evolution.

    Evolution says that things have always been killing and eating eachother. The Bible says:
    They were given plants to eat in the begining.
     
  10. Jayhawker Soule

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    Just note how well the raptor's talons and beak are adapted to salad. ;)
     
  11. Passerbye

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    Ever thought they could be adapted to harder to eat plants, like tree bark or something like it.
    Also... God changed the serpent after he was already made, God introduced thorns and weeds after creation was done, and so on. Why would he not have added certain evil mechanisms or curses to each creature he made to assist in their new life?
     
  12. Jayhawker Soule

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    Never.
    God's assistance is a curse? I guess I've never thought of it quite like that before. Thanks.
     
  13. Passerbye

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    In the animal kingdom is a curse upon one creature not a blessing to another? God's assistance can come in the form of a curse.
     
  14. Passerbye

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    Oh, and before someone starts hounding on the "evil mechanisms" I was referring to things like poison, spikes among other things. Not necessarily evil, just a way to categorize them. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.
     
  15. Passerbye

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    I would like to know if there is anyone who can logicly put together evolution and the Bible, and how it is done. Please bring a theory forth.
    Thank You
     
  16. Ceridwen018

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    Certainly. Here is the idea, (I don't like referring to unscientific things as "theories"), that I used to believe:

    There are two ways that one could go about this. The first would be to consider the creation stories of the Bible to be copmpletely fictitious and mythological, and interpret them as "old wives' tale" sort of stories, as can be found in nearly every religion, past and present. The purpose of these sorts of stories, and consequently, the reason why they might be included in the Bible, is that they present moral ideas and sometimes teach lessons. The idea here is that God created all living things, and that humans were severely punished for disobeying God.

    Obviously, evolution fits in quite easily with this first scenaio.

    Secondly, for those sticklers who insist on taking the Bible literally on all counts, there is an alternative. In the creation stories of the Bible, the word "day" is actually an incorrect translation. The correct translation comes out to mean approximately, "a period of work", as in, a full workday, or the amount of work one would do in one day, (for all of you Hebrew buffs out there, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but that is what I was always taught). The translators of the Bible simply assumed that God's "period of work" was the same as a human's "period of work", and concluded that the seven defined areas of time were actually days.

    Obviously, it is safe to assume that God is not bound by time, and therefore his "period of work" could actually be millions of years instead of just one day. If you think on that scale, it seems quite possible that God could have used evolution as his mechanism for life, as he continues to do today.

    Haven't you ever heard the saying, "A thousand years is but one second to the Lord"?
     
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  17. Passerbye

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    It fits but this one does not acknowledge that the Bible is fully true and God's word. I guess I should have been more specific.

    I don't know the language but let me quote something for you.

     
  18. Passerbye

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    Where in the Bible does it say that?
    Oh... I already answered this in post 219 of this thread. I will quote it here so you don't need to look all around for it.
     
  19. Scuba Pete

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    Hey Passer bye,

    have you ever made a cake? Or seen it done?
     
  20. Passerbye

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    I have not made a cake, but I have watched people make them.... Why do you ask?
     
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