"I am the way"

[ManSinha]

Then our concept of God differs greatly So be it.

You go from speaking for others to speaking for yourself - getting hard to keep up
I would agree with you about one god / one truth / one light - but unsure that the muslims and christians who between them have the majority of the world's religious minded individuals will be in agreement

 

[ManSinha]

ManSinha wrote...….. God for me is a non transactional universal divine - one who does not "demand" worship, sanction the deaths of unbelievers and meddle in human affairs.

The Anointed...…… you are of course referring to the Logos, who is the essential divine reality of the universe; the eternal spirit from which all being originates and to which all must return.

The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So it would seem that if energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this material universe at the time of the Big Bang was pure electromagnetic energy, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch. If you believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself] --------- self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”? Then you must accept that it is the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end, that has become this seemingly material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or the Logos God, is the collective consciousness of all that it has become.

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

Nothing Is Solid & Everything Is Energy – Scientists Explain The World of Quantum Physics*

This God is no respecter of man, he send his blessings on the righteous and the wicked alike, and he sends his disasters on the wicked and the righteous alike. It is 'The Most High' to have developed within the Logos, who is our God and warns and protects us from any approaching disaster.

At the close of each cycle of universal activity, the Most High to have developed in that cycle, enters into Logos as the Supreme Personality of Godhead to the ever evolving Logos..

The root to the word “BRAHMAN” originally meant “SPEECH”, much the same as the “LOGOS” is said to mean ‘WORD. Both can be seen as the essential reality of the universe, and both go through cycles of rest and activity.

At the close of this cycle, Krishna the eighth and principle avatar of the deity Vishnu, enters into Brahman as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

As I have indicated before - the 9th Master put it quite simply when he said:

 

[The Anointed]

There have been many men who have come to an understanding of the eternal evolving mind, but none explain it as clearly as does, 'The Son of Man,' who is the Most High in the creation.

And Just as man developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors, so too the 'Son of Man' develops within the great androgynous pregnant and expanding body of Eve.

And as we all must pay the blood price for the sins of the flesh in which we [The invisible minds] develop, He is only one who can pay the penalty for the sins of the body in which he developed, which he does.

It was He, while developing in the valley of Man, who cried out, " Behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me."

 

[ManSinha]

It was He, while developing in the valley of Man, who cried out, " Behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me."

Context, please

 

[loverofhumanity]

You go from speaking for others to speaking for yourself - getting hard to keep up
I would agree with you about one god / one truth / one light - but unsure that the muslims and christians who between them have the majority of the world's religious minded individuals will be in agreement

I believe we are all one human family and that interpretations of scriptures which lead to exclusivism and or superiority are misinterpretations born of ego and desire for dominance as the true purpose of all religions i believe is is love and unity. I can accept other faiths, go to their temples and pray with them because I consider all men are my brokers and sisters, what for humanity hates and divides?

The scriptures can all be understood in a harmonious way not necessarily in a conflicting manner. The choice to understand them in a superior or exclusivism manner I believe comes from leaders fear who don’t want to lose their flock to other religions so teach their followers other religions are false but there really is nothing in their Holy Books saying other religions are false.

If we seek love and unity we shalll be united but if we’re seek division then we will be as we are now, divided,

Religion is for love and it has been made a source of conflict and division, it needs to become a source of love again if people are to turn back to it.

You are my brother, all,Sikhs are my brothers and I see truth in your religion so I feel at peace with you.

 

[The Anointed]

Context, please

And what are you having problems with mate?

 

[Faithofchristian]

No one needs to tell me that - as a rational human without blind faith in Jesus or Muhammad I am asking you a question as to your statement about the scriptures from their religions

If you cannot answer - say so - do not try to turn the question around

Here is my reasoning for what it is worth:

God does not physically interact with humans such as dictating scripture - there is zero evidence that that happens

There is the concept of "God inspired" - which is debatable at best -

The content in the bible was written by humans - who as I have indicated - walked on two feet, ate, slept and pooped like other human beings

Once you rationalize and agree with that - we can talk further

Some one needs to tell you, as you do not know a thing about how Jesus can be God

God did physically interact with humans,

As Jesus is the Almighty God.

There is no concept, God did inspired men,
Which is not debatable.

If you can not handle it, that's your problem and not mine.

There is evidence that God physically interact with humans, if you can not handle it, That's your problem and not mine.

Seeing you have blind Faith, not knowing how Jesus can be God.

As God made himself a body,
And incased himself in the body,
So you have Jesus is the Almighty God.

 

[The Anointed]

Some one needs to tell you, as you do not know a thing about how Jesus can be God

God did physically interact with humans,

As Jesus is the Almighty God.

There is no concept, God did inspired men,
Which is not debatable.

If you can not handle it, that's your problem and not mine.

There is evidence that God physically interact with humans, if you can not handle it, That's your problem and not mine.

Seeing you have blind Faith, not knowing how Jesus can be God.

As God made himself a body,
And incased himself in the body,
So you have Jesus is the Almighty God.

Acts 3:13; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors has given divine glory to his servant Jesus,

John 20: 17; Jesus said to Mary Magdalene, "Go to my brothers and say to them; "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

Acts 17: 31. For the Lord has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with Justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death."

Now you might believe the false teachings of the Roman Church of Emperor Constantine, which states that Jesus was an immortal god that pre-existed the creation of the universe, and some two thousand years ago, he came down to earth and entered the womb of some supposedly ever virgin in which he created for himself a human-like body that was not of the seed of Adam (Even though Jesus was a genetic descendant of King David, a descendant of Adam) in which human like body, he could walk the earth disguised as a human being.

What a load of rubbish.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

sorry-ah, i should have only quoted this part-
just as visible creation surrounding us is Not out of harmony with Scripture.
That just is so far from true! Genesis is stories
but they could hardly be further from reality if t hey tried.
I am not concerned with other belief systems, who
dont get it right either.

Now, I wonder what part of visible creation is out of harmony with Scripture.
I see nothing even in the breakdown of the ' creative days ' being out of harmony with known nature.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Acts 3:13; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors has given divine glory to his servant Jesus,

John 20: 17; Jesus said to Mary Magdalene, "Go to my brothers and say to them; "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

Acts 17: 31. For the Lord has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with Justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death."

Now you might believe the false teachings of the Roman Church of Emperor Constantine, which states that Jesus was an immortal god that pre-existed the creation of the universe, and some two thousand years ago, he came down to earth and entered the womb of some supposedly ever virgin in which he created for himself a human-like body that was not of the seed of Adam (Even though Jesus was a genetic descendant of King David, a descendant of Adam) in which human like body, he could walk the earth disguised as a human being.

What a load of rubbish.

Well it's evidence, that you have no understanding or knowledge about what you so call rubbish
Why is it that people condemn things,
they have no idea or clue about.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Some one needs to tell you, as you do not know a thing about how Jesus can be God
God did physically interact with humans,
As Jesus is the Almighty God.
There is no concept, God did inspired men,
Which is not debatable.
If you can not handle it, that's your problem and not mine.
There is evidence that God physically interact with humans, if you can not handle it, That's your problem and not mine.
Seeing you have blind Faith, not knowing how Jesus can be God.
As God made himself a body,
And incased himself in the body,
So you have Jesus is the Almighty God.

At KJV Psalms 110 Jesus is Not LORD Almighty, but LORD God's Son as being the second Lord.
Plus, I find Jesus believed himself to be Son at John 10:36
God had No beginning according to Psalms 90:2 but according to Revelation 3:14 pre-human Jesus had a beginning.
Thus, pre-human Jesus was Not before the beginning as his God was before the beginning.
Jesus did Not send himself to Earth, rather his God sent Jesus to Earth for us.
Even the resurrected Jesus still thinks he has a God over him as per Revelation 3:12.
God does Not fit the description as found at Colossians 1:15. - Ephesians 3:9
Since God is 'from everlasting to everlasting', then God can Not die, Jesus did die.
Jesus did Not resurrect himself, but his forever-living God resurrected dead Jesus.

 

[The Anointed]

Well it's evidence, that you have no understanding or knowledge about what you so call rubbish
Why is it that people condemn things,
they have no idea or clue about.

No my friend, it is you who do not have a clue as to who the man Jesus, son of Mary and her half-brother Joseph who were both sired by Alexander Helios, also called Heli, really is. As revealed in the scriptures that I have provided.

The Lord said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; "I will raise up for the Israelites a prophet just like him from among their own people, and I will put MY WORDS into his mouth. And he will tell the people everything that I command him to say, and I will punish anyone who does not heed MY WORDS that he shall speak in my name."

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when, concerning the man Jesus, he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

John 5: 24; "Whoever hears my words, (Which were the Words of YHVH/Who I Am, that he commanded the man that he had chosen from among the people, to speak in his name) and believes in “HIM” who sent me, has eternal life.

John 17: 11; HOLY Father! Keep them safe by the power of your name, the name that you gave to me, etc. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Acts 3:19; “Repent then and turn to God, (Not to Jesus, but to God) so that He (God) will forgive your sins. If you do, times of spiritual strength will come from the Lord, and He will send Jesus, who is the Messiah that he has already CHOSEN for you.” The man Jesus, was chosen and made both Lord and saviour by “Who I Am”.

Acts 3:13; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors has given divine glory to his servant Jesus.

Act 17: 31; For he (The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

Isaiah 42: 1; The Lord says, "Here is my servant, whom I strengthen---the one I have CHOSEN, with whom I am pleased. I have filled him with my spirit (Which descended upon him in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my beloved in whom I am pleased, TODAY I have become your Father.) and he will bring justice to every nation.

1st Timothy 1:1; “From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of “GOD OUR SAVIOUR” and Christ Jesus “OUR HOPE.”

Jesus admits that he spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and saviour, who chose him as the one to speak in his name, “Who I Am,” and Jesus says in John 5: 24; “Whoever hear my words (The words that he was commanded to say) and believes in “HIM” who sent me, has eternal life.

John 14: 24; “And the word which you hear is not mine, but ‘THE’ Fathers who sent me. Not “MY Father” but ‘THE’ Father of us all: “Our Father who is in heaven.”

Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus which had been filled by the spirit=information=words of the Lord which had descended upon him in the form of a dove? “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?”

They were the words that Jesus was commanded to say by “Who I Am,” who raised the body of Jesus, the earthly temple, which had been filled with his spirit.

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence. _________________________It was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who said through his obedient servant Jesus; “Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.”

Wake up to yourself kiddo, if you want to cast doubt on the Holy Scriptures, go and register with one of them atheist forums.

 

[Windwalker]

The scriptures can all be understood in a harmonious way not necessarily in a conflicting manner.

Or, the better and more peaceable approach is to recognize the conflicts as different perspectives at different times by different people with different ideas of themselves, society, and God. To try to create some sort of "master story" to try to tie it all as one "harmonious way", is what does violence to history and the richness of human diversity, forcing a single, master narrative via a religious consensus or a single "prophet", for the purpose of mass-control.

I think looking at them more realistically honors the disparate and diverse parts, rather than violently smashing them into a created mythology to support a particular religious perspective which later adopts them for themselves, and protects the "proper" understanding of them via "councils' or committees, a "house of justice" for instance. The "master story" motif, or the "harmonious whole", is a myopic view that does not honor other perspectives. It says "we see the truth", and you have only a partial truth, lacking what our prophet has revealed. It is therefore, not truly universal.

 

[Audie]

Now, I wonder what part of visible creation is out of harmony with Scripture.
I see nothing even in the breakdown of the ' creative days ' being out of harmony with known nature.

You see nothing...

Of course, it is what you do see in scripture, and
applied to what you think you see outside, nature
as known to you.

For clarity, do you choose to see in scripture that the
earth and the rest of the universe were created
together in "six days", A and E were the first people,
and later there was a world wide flood with only
noahs family surviving?

If so, the you are close in a way; you got it backwards,
for lo, there is nothing in nature that is "in harmony"
with any of that.

But of course, I am just guessing what you think
as every Christians seems to have a different idea
of what "scripture" really-really says.

 

[Audie]

No my friend, it is you who do not have a clue as to who the man Jesus, son of Mary and her half-brother Joseph who were both sired by Alexander Helios, also called Heli, really is. As revealed in the scriptures that I have provided.

The Lord said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; "I will raise up for the Israelites a prophet just like him from among their own people, and I will put MY WORDS into his mouth. And he will tell the people everything that I command him to say, and I will punish anyone who does not heed MY WORDS that he shall speak in my name."

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when, concerning the man Jesus, he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

John 5: 24; "Whoever hears my words, (Which were the Words of YHVH/Who I Am, that he commanded the man that he had chosen from among the people, to speak in his name) and believes in “HIM” who sent me, has eternal life.

John 17: 11; HOLY Father! Keep them safe by the power of your name, the name that you gave to me, etc. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Acts 3:19; “Repent then and turn to God, (Not to Jesus, but to God) so that He (God) will forgive your sins. If you do, times of spiritual strength will come from the Lord, and He will send Jesus, who is the Messiah that he has already CHOSEN for you.” The man Jesus, was chosen and made both Lord and saviour by “Who I Am”.

Acts 3:13; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors has given divine glory to his servant Jesus.

Act 17: 31; For he (The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

Isaiah 42: 1; The Lord says, "Here is my servant, whom I strengthen---the one I have CHOSEN, with whom I am pleased. I have filled him with my spirit (Which descended upon him in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my beloved in whom I am pleased, TODAY I have become your Father.) and he will bring justice to every nation.

1st Timothy 1:1; “From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of “GOD OUR SAVIOUR” and Christ Jesus “OUR HOPE.”

Jesus admits that he spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and saviour, who chose him as the one to speak in his name, “Who I Am,” and Jesus says in John 5: 24; “Whoever hear my words (The words that he was commanded to say) and believes in “HIM” who sent me, has eternal life.

John 14: 24; “And the word which you hear is not mine, but ‘THE’ Fathers who sent me. Not “MY Father” but ‘THE’ Father of us all: “Our Father who is in heaven.”

Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus which had been filled by the spirit=information=words of the Lord which had descended upon him in the form of a dove? “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?”

They were the words that Jesus was commanded to say by “Who I Am,” who raised the body of Jesus, the earthly temple, which had been filled with his spirit.

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence. _________________________It was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who said through his obedient servant Jesus; “Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.”

Wake up to yourself kiddo, if you want to cast doubt on the Holy Scriptures, go and register with one of them atheist forums.

As I just commented to uravip- every Christians seems to have a different idea of what "scripture" really-really says.

 

[Jainarayan]

From what I see in the scriptures, people who have never heard the gospel or never had a missionary will be judged simply according to the knowledge of God they do have, however limited that may be and their response.

I take it then, that you believe because I know what the Bible says and once followed it but no longer do, your God is going to judge me more harshly than a Tibetan who never heard of your God or the Bible? Yet he and I might live by the same principles? Do I understand correctly?

 

[Jainarayan]

The root to the word “BRAHMAN” originally meant “SPEECH”

No, it most certainly does not. It never did, it never will.

The word "speech" in Sanskrit is "vaach". वाच् "Word" is any of these: shabda, pada or vacas.

 

[ManSinha]

As Jesus is the Almighty God.

As has been said again and again - that is your faith and belief - no objective evidence - Samkhya philosophy refutes that completely

As God made himself a body,
And incased himself in the body,
So you have Jesus is the Almighty God.

That is a child's fairy tale if I ever heard one - and not a very good one at that either

Seeing you have blind Faith, not knowing how Jesus can be God.

And I am the one with "blind" faith? That is indeed the pot calling the kettle black - go look in the mirror and read what the other who profess the same deity as you, are saying about your perspectives and beliefs.

 

[Audie]

I take it then, that you believe because I know what the Bible says and once followed it but no longer do, your God is going to judge me more harshly than a Tibetan who never heard of your God or the Bible? Yet he and I might live by the same principles? Do I understand correctly?

That is one of the things xians will tell you.

 

[Audie]

As has been said again and again - that is your faith and belief - no objective evidence - Samkhya philosophy refutes that completely


That is a child's fairy tale if I ever heard one - and not a very good one at that either

it is not surprising that the church pus such emphasis
on "faith".