I am a huge fan of Rudy. Now he denies saying there was no collusion.

[Subduction Zone]

Giuliani vs. CNN's Cuomo: I Never Said There Was No Collusion Between People In Trump Campaign And Russia

Giuliani is the perfect lawyer for Trump. He keeps saying things that make Trump look as if he was guilty or a total idiot"

"RUDY GIULIANI: Well, you just misstated my position. I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign --"

 

[Father Heathen]

Him and Trump are peas in a pod. An imbecilic pod.

 

[metis]

Ya, I saw that interview on the news this morning, and let me just say that Giuliani is a mere shadow versus what he used to be. Seems that he's fallen off the turnip truck, and hard.

 

[Revoltingest]

On the surface, he's denying a claim attributed to him.
What's the significance to you?

 

[ecco]

Cuomo Jaw Drop.

 

[Jose Fly]

The evolution of talking points from Trump and his people regarding Russia collusion is fascinating to watch. It also hints that there's more still to be revealed.

Funny too is how we're now firmly in Nixonian territory, asking "what did the President know and when did he know it".

 

[metis]

Cuomo Jaw Drop.

Yep, but at least he didn't just let Giuliani's lies just stand without correction.

 

[sun rise]

"what did the President know and when did he know it".

Nail, meet hammer. That to me is the point.

 

[Quetzal]

On the surface, he's denying a claim attributed to him.
What's the significance to you?

For me the significance is that he is admitting that the Trump campaign colluded with a foreign government in an effort to win an election.

 

[Nakosis]

Giuliani vs. CNN's Cuomo: I Never Said There Was No Collusion Between People In Trump Campaign And Russia

Giuliani is the perfect lawyer for Trump. He keeps saying things that make Trump look as if he was guilty or a total idiot"

"RUDY GIULIANI: Well, you just misstated my position. I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign --"

These Trump people aren't very good at the fine art of double-talk. Giuliani immediately starts off on the defensive. That's going to make you look guilty from the get-go.

 

[icehorse]

Go Rudy go!

(That trump ever worked with Rudy seems like an indication of trump's narcissism, and it might help be his undoing.)

 

[Jose Fly]

Nail, meet hammer. That to me is the point.

It presents two possibilities. Either there was collusion going on right under Trump's nose and he had no idea, or he did know and has been actively covering it up ever since.

 

[Revoltingest]

For me the significance is that he is admitting that the Trump campaign colluded with a foreign government in an effort to win an election.

Is he?
His artful language avoids saying that.
It could mean a number of things.
What claims did he actually make, which he now claims are being modified?

 

[Jose Fly]

Is he?
His artful language avoids saying that.
It could mean a number of things.
What claims did he actually make, which he now claims are being modified?

It doesn't really matter, since we already know Trump campaign CEO Paul Manafort was colluding with Russians (passing on internal polling data).

Like I said, the only question know is whether Trump knew. If he did then he's been actively covering it up.

 

[Revoltingest]

It doesn't really matter, since we already know Trump campaign CEO Paul Manafort was colluding with Russians (passing on internal polling data).

Since this wasn't claimed in the OP, how do we know it.

Like I said, the only question know is whether Trump knew. If he did then he's been actively covering it up.

They've been investigating this a couple years now.
Trump's collusion is often claimed, but they're still investigating, & not divulging evidence of this.
It seems odd that such certainty isn't being supported.

 

[Quetzal]

Is he?
His artful language avoids saying that.
It could mean a number of things.
What claims did he actually make, which he now claims are being modified?

I'm not sure, I am just here to get hyped up and mad about abstract statements taken out of context. (See! At least you know my intentions from the very beginning. )

 

[Jose Fly]

Since this wasn't claimed in the OP, how do we know it.

Are you not aware of the court filing from Manafort's team this week, where they accidentally messed up a redacted section and ended up revealing what I described (Manafort giving polling data)?

They've been investigating this a couple years now.
Trump's collusion is often claimed, but they're still investigating, & not divulging evidence of this.
It seems odd that such certainty isn't being supported.

I don't know how much experience you have with things like this, but surely you're not expecting an investigator to publicly release evidence while the investigation is ongoing, are you?

Also, as I noted earlier, the evolution of team Trump's talking points is revealing in itself IMO.

 

[Revoltingest]

Are you not aware of the court filing from Manafort's team this week, where they accidentally messed up a redacted section and ended up revealing what I described (Manafort giving polling data)?

Please present it.

I don't know how much experience you have with things like this, but surely you're not expecting an investigator to publicly release evidence while the investigation is ongoing, are you?

I point out that so many are making claims based upon results not yet released.
If not released, then how do we know what they are?

Also, as I noted earlier, the evolution of team Trump's talking points is revealing in itself IMO.

Which quotes have revealed what to you?

 

[Jose Fly]

Please present it.

Paul Manafort shared 2016 presidential polling data with ex-Russian agent: Feds

I point out that so many are making claims based upon results not yet released.
If not released, then how do we know what they are?

Not sure what specifically you're talking about.

Which quotes have revealed what to you?

Their shifting narratives about collusion, the Trump Tower meeting, Trump's buisness ties to Russia, etc. indicate to me that there's something they're trying to hide. If there really was nothing to all this, they would have just said so from the start and not wavered. Instead it's been "it's fake news", "it's a witch hunt", "Mueller's team is corrupt", "collusion isn't a crime", "Hillary/Obama did it too", "yeah we met with the Russians but they didn't deliver", and now an indirect "but Trump didn't know about it".

Constantly shifting narratives like that are rarely consistent with truth-telling.

 

[Revoltingest]

Paul Manafort shared 2016 presidential polling data with ex-Russian agent: Feds


Not sure what specifically you're talking about.


Their shifting narratives about collusion, the Trump Tower meeting, Trump's buisness ties to Russia, etc. indicate to me that there's something they're trying to hide. If there really was nothing to all this, they would have just said so from the start and not wavered. Instead it's been "it's fake news", "it's a witch hunt", "Mueller's team is corrupt", "collusion isn't a crime", "Hillary/Obama did it too", "yeah we met with the Russians but they didn't deliver", and now an indirect "but Trump didn't know about it".

Constantly shifting narratives like that are rarely consistent with truth-telling.

Being evasive doesn't say what they're hiding.
What's been offered so far only confirms pre-existing bias.
I'll wait for results of a trial, either in the public or legal arena.