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Featured Hypocrisy is a big turn-off to people against Christianity.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Jonathan Bailey, Jun 29, 2019.

  1. Jonathan Bailey

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    Let me tell you about a Rescue Mission I stayed in during the late summertime of 2017.

    It's called the Boise Rescue Mission in Boise, ID and it has a sign on the building stating that "Jesus Saves".

    Here is its official website:

    Home Page | Boise Rescue Mission Ministries

    Here is the bad about this joint:

    1. the staff people there are condescending against the grown men who are "guests" or are seeking to become "guests" there: the poor people who go there for help are often spoken to and scolded as children

    2. the place where men sleep there is very dirty and unsanitary: by most landlord-tenant standards the place would be uninhabitable in the eyes of state landlord-tenant laws

    3. one of the staff people, a man named Don, said "goodnight, girls!" in a sarcastic voice one night as he was leaving the "medical" dorm where the men with health problems slept

    4. the kitchen and dining area is dirty and filled with flies: there is no real cook there and often the food is burned, the people going to eat there often look as skinny as a rail

    5. they allow the "medical" (sick/disabled) men staying there to go outside to smoke cigarettes during the day: I don't smoke and I was treated like a baby by one of the young staffers there ( a black man, I forgot his name) for going out to my car into the mission parking lot and making myself a sandwich during the day out of the cooler I kept in my car since they didn't allow food in the dorm areas and there is no place or day room for guests to eat inside and refrigeration to keep their food: I was told I had to leave the mission property completely if I wanted to eat out of my car; I was one of the infirmed assigned to day bedrest: I had to take food with my medication because the pain meds stated on the label to take with food but these idiots weren't very understanding; I complained to one of the other staffers, a man named Ralph, and he was not understanding either saying that the "medical" guests could not "come and go as they pleased" : it's like they wanted the medical people to be confined in their beds all day long or leave the place for the whole day completely: I was having wholesome food with my medicine but "it was OK" for the medical people to go out in the parking lot to light up cigarettes at various times during the day and kill me with their second-hand smoke: to leave the mission parking lot means I would have had to drive my car and it wasn't legal for me to drive anyway under the pain medication which causes drowsiness

    6. one night as I was lying in my medical dorm bed, I smelled liquid bleach fumes and was starting to have bad migraine headaches, chest pains, heart palpitations and trouble breathing: I noted that somebody was using liquid bleach to clean the men's room and the odors migrated from the bathroom into the dorm sleeping area: I complained to one of the older staffers there named John: he stated that liquid bleach had to be used to sanitize the bathrooms because that was what was donated to the mission: I begged for him to make policy not to use that product to disinfect the dorm and bathroom area because I was chemical-sensitive, but he was not sympathetic: I told him I would go public about this using harmful chemicals in an area with inadequate ventilation and he threatened to boot me out in the streets for allegedly "threatening" this mission, I then just told him I wanted to go the the hospital emergency room and he let me go: I then went in my car to the local VA hospital, as an Army Vet, and stayed there overnight: it was clean and very sanitary and actually pleasant in the VA inpatient ward with a private room and no snoring smelly men: I was discharged in the afternoon the following day: the next day, I called Don the staffer at the mission on my Obama Phone just before being discharged at the hospital, and told him what happened and that I would be willing to donate hydrogen peroxide that I bought out of my own pocket to the mission for janitorial use and he said that could work out: the janitor at the VA hospital said they use a hydrogen-based product for disinfecting: so, I brought hydrogen peroxide into the mission and that was used to disinfect the men's toilets for the remaining two weeks I was there and I never smelled Clorox in the dorm again: I volunteered to do the "medical" men's bathroom to ensure only my safe product was only used for cleaning purposes

    You see the hypocrisy? Would Jesus Christ Himself kick a poor person out of His temple for complaining of health issues? Back in the Bible, they had no such harmful chemicals around anyway. No, Jesus would heal people who were sick, not kick them outside to die in the elements.

    7. there were some toilet stalls in some of the men's bathrooms lacking stall doors completely: this means that men defecating had to sit on the toilet with no privacy, modesty or decency: this Mission must think it a heinous crime to be poor and needy to inflict such jail-like punishment; yes, I'm disabled and thus poor... yep, it was all my fault I came down with CFS and rheumatoid arthritis, right? God must be punishing me for a life of personal sin, correct?

    8. this Rescue Mission has more than one fancy passenger van but they won't drive poor, elderly or disabled people to the bus station to catch the Greyhound out of state downtown even: these people might have a bus ticket but no money for cab fare

    9. I read a website from doing a Google search, but can't find that link now, that this Mission had a revenue in excess of five million dollars in 2016, but the living conditions for the guests and food there is appalling, very slumlord like; often staff people have nice motorcycles and nice vehicles: you'd have to be totally mentally retarded to believe that somebody in that place is not making big bucks like a fat cat in the name of God and Christ. I do believe hell is going to be full of so-called Christians.

    It is places like this Mission that make me hesitant to ever want to set foot in a church again.
     
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  2. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Uh . I guess that's quite a story.
     
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  3. Jonathan Bailey

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    I'm now emailing the Boise Rescue Mission staff to share this "flattering" thread with them in the spirit of Christian sharing and giving.

    I wrote: PS - Come and boot me out of my Oklahoma apartment if you dare! Please stay tuned for the YouTube documentary that will be made about the Boise Rescue Mission in the near future. God is just inspiring me to be productive at my computer and author some wisdom for the world to view.

    I think I'll Broadcast Myself! for Jesus.
    Amen, brother!
     
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    I dont understand why anyone will first of all, place a sign "Jesus saves" and then does the opposite.
    The only reason possible is that they are conartists tapping the Christian morals.
    Secondly, why would you place this negative tick against Churches in general.
    Does it mean because one institution is bad, all of a sudden all churches are bad?
    If you reason this way, think of guys like Jim Jones, Koresh, and hundreds more con artists who tapped on Christianity for money and power.
    It will never stop, even today we know of a lot of so called Christian Ministries who are wearing sheepsclothing, but are devouers of man's souls.
    Trust in God alone!
     
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    It's probably because I'm sold on the "one bad apple spoils the whole barrel" theory.

    Think of what a known corrupt cop does to the public image of law enforcement or what a military personnel who beats his wife does in the name of the services? What are stories of priests, bishops and deacons who supposedly molest altar boys doing to the name of the Catholic church?

    Bad reputation by word of mouth will travel even much farther and much faster than even good reputation by the same means. Wolves in sheep's clothing need public exposure and shame.

    If we can't trust police, soldiers or even ministers, whom can we trust?

    You are right: the Holy Bible (King James Version) read firsthand, God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son and the Dove the Holy Ghost.
     
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    Well, I suppose this is one way of looking at it.
    My philosophy is to never trust anyone.

    I always go and find out for myself.
    In my company I saved a lot of money over the years by investigating what people say.
    Employees are known to give positive reports to their seniors, never negative.
    Only because of the fact that managers dont like to hear bad things.
    over the past 30 years, people working for me know that if they report a positive, I will go to the workfloor, and look for myself.
    80% of the time, they were doing it to cover other ineffectiveness.
    People who report problems, knows that I will assist them to get a permanent solution.
    this relieves stress and prohibits prommises made by someone that is not maintainable over the future.

    Except for "I dont trust anyone", I also believe in "Take your head out of the Hole and face your fears".
    that one works wonders.
     
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    I don't see any Hypocrisy. Just a list of minor gripes and absolutely no gratitude for the accommodation!
     
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    Interesting story.
    Either way, I wholeheartedly agree with the premise. Nothing is so off putting as a holier than thou “Christian” spouting off their Jesus Saves shtick only to be exposed as a hypocrite. Or just being one of those obnoxious belligerent Christians. They’re like a self fulfilling prophecy.
    Acting like the Devil is corrupting people only to turn people away from their message with ease.

    I have a reaction like
    “If that guy is going to be in heaven, then I will gladly dance my way into hell.”
     
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    Words of ignorance. Words of a man who has never been inside my shoes.
    God please, I pray, make this man wiser not for my sake, but for his.

    A good lesson in what I say comes from A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens. Bob Cratchit's family's goose and pudding was a feast, a royal banquet, compared with what scraps they threw at the men in that mission.The Cratchits were poor but did not live in squalor.

    I used to be richer materially and much healthier and stronger too when I was younger and I must confess that had no compassion for the poor myself until I was on the streets and in a homeless shelter myself following a catastrophic business failure some 15 years ago.

    I changed my way of thinking and finally saw the light.

    Experience firsthand is the Mother of all Teachers.

    While I was in that God-forsaken Rescue Mission because a crazy dramatic bipolar roommate had displaced me from my otherwise peaceful apartment while I was working on a judge-ordered restraining order through the assistance of legal aid services to get him out, which I finally did after about seven weeks in that bum-barn joint, I was grateful to Uncle Sam that I even had a VA Pension to buy my own food and money to put gas in my own car. If I were totally incomeless otherwise, I'm sure I would have died in that place of starvation.

    I'm sure the shelters for battered women are like Hiltons in comparison with men's rescue missions.

    Uncle Sam fed me well and provided my needed local transportation, not some bible-waving hypocrites running a bum-barn in the name of Christ possibly as a drug or vice front.
     
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    Hypocrisy is very off putting. I have encountered it many times in my life in connection with some Christians who are holier than thou on a Sunday, but their everyday life doesn't bear scrutiny!:mad:
     
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    Yes, more hallowed than the Virgin Mary as they step out of their Mercedes-Benzes, Lincoln Navigators, Volvos and Lexuses at church on Sundays with smartphones in hand while discussing inside trading in the social hall with their complimentary coffee and doughnuts.
     
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    Or cheating on their partners.
     
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    Describing the other gests as: snoring smelly men and saying staff shouldn't smoke in the car park while your eating

    Sounds like you expect the whole world to be dancing to your tune

    Money money money
     
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    I'd say judge not lest ye be judged.:cool:

    Ok, judge a little. Hard not to, but understand everybody has issues. You can't really fix the world, but you can fix yourself.

    What seems to work is that when other people treat you like crap, be the example of patience, forgiveness, kindness. Most people I find threat others like crap because they been treated like crap. It's hard to not let the crap affect you, but if you can learn to become detached from how others treat you, you can be the person you think they should be. People I find more than anything else learn by example. However not everyone is willing to invest into the patience required.
     
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    There are hypocrites in every belief system. EVERY belief system, including those belief systems under the "atheism" umbrella.

    If 'faith' is behaving as if what you believe to be true is true, then 'hypocrisy' is the opposite; behaving as if what you CLAIM to be true doesn't apply to you.

    .....and I have met some from every belief system I've had contact with.

    When you think about it, though, we are all hypocrites to one extent or other; claiming to hold to one set of ethics, morals or religious ideals, and yet doing something against them. I've done that. I'll bet each and everyone of you have, at one time or other.

    .....and Christians are no more guilty of it than anybody else is. I HAVE found, though, that it's a lot easier to cry "hypocrite' when someone goes against what you think s/he 'really' believes. It's a little harder to identify when one is being hypocritical oneself. :)

    As for me, I.....repent a lot.
     
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    I was actually saying the mission staff was allowing the infirmed guests to go out into the mission private parking lot to smoke their cigarettes during the day. They just didn't want ME to go out in their parking lot during the day to eat my own food. They made a double standard against daytime bedrest guests who wanted to go outside and eat while making a rule against bringing food inside the building. It was the smelly men outside with their Marlboros that were polluting my breathing air, not the staff. I actually took a shower there everyday which was another one of their rules I actually agreed with but many others did not follow that rule.

    After they hassled me about eating out in the parking lot, I thankfully wasn't there much longer anyway. The place was pure ghetto if you catch my drift. I can't imagine any homeless joint as being particularly nice but I was too poor to be kicking around in a local motel for seven weeks as I was using a legal process to finally get that crazy man out of my apartment.I still had to pay my share of rent in my uninhabitable apartment while "camping out" in the mission.I was paying $529/mo. for an apartment I couldn't live in for nearly two months in a row. I had most my things still there and was confident I could get that bad man out of my place soon. The apartment was designated no smoking also but that crazy man was smoking inside my apartment. The landlord wouldn't even evict him for that. I had to finally "evict" him by restraining order. I was in a two-bedroom "college type" apartment where each roommate had his own separate bedroom and lease while sharing common areas.That crazy man in my apartment was bipolar and violent. His social worker would come into the apartment sometimes and scold him for not taking his medication. I didn't have a gun at that time for home security. After that man was finally gotten out of my apartment by a sheriff-served restarting order for one year, I did buy a gun and return home with it for peace of mind. I thankfully never saw or heard of that man again after coming back home.

    The young staffer of color at that mission who wore glasses, and spoke eloquently, acted like a total uppity prick.
     
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    I don't always know what people truly believe but I call HYPOCRITE whenever somebody goes against what they preach or makes double standards for others to follow instead of leading by example.
     
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    My judgement is more about a man-made entity than an individual person. It's honest and fair judgement, though. If you would stay one or two night at a place like I'm talking about it, would be obvious as to what I am saying to have some truth to it.

    I have no fear of being judged as long as the judgment is fair and impartial. I was on jury duty once and was called by the law to judge another. I was judging the mission by actual experience there, not by surmise, heresay or total lack of facts.
     
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    They've still provided housing and support for those with none! Just because it doesn't meet your standards doesn't make it hypocrisy
     
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    I think we get your drift fine.
     
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