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Human Sacrifice in Bible

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by SCIRLIN, Feb 23, 2006.

  1. pandamonk

    pandamonk Active Member

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    I was actually trying to start a friendly debate, and only got annoyed when this thread was deleted. I posted profanity in the forums about a moderators actions instead of emailing them directly. So yeah i was wrong to do so, but i was worked up about this thread being deleted when i saw nothing wrong with it.
     
  2. pandamonk

    pandamonk Active Member

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    Ahh ok, i never saw the anti-semetic comments and personal attacks.
     
  3. pandamonk

    pandamonk Active Member

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    Please explain why. What i get from the biblical quote is that God isn't as nice a guy as he'd (if he exists, or "the church'd" if he don't) like us to think. How can the quotes which show God asking for sacrificial offerings mean anything other than that?
     
  4. Moses the God Archetype*

    Moses the God Archetype* Active Member

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    ;) Me being hindu(prema-yoga) the art of sacrifice is to consecrate your devotion to the lord and his son(krsna& jesus) for in that action it brings you closer to a understanding of God and his son and the cosmic plan, as far as human sacrifice goes it is clearly stated in the bhagavad-gita that it is done by people lacking complete knowlegde of sri bhagavan and his son and the conditions relating to that art, it is suposed to cleanse the soul not harm it, MANY BLESSINGS TO YOU.
     
  5. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    concerning sacrifices, yes, in the days of the Temple sacrifices were part of the service, they were eaten by the Kohanim, and on High Holidays like Passover, the rich and the poor, the have's and have nots sat and ate the Passover offering of roasted Lamb...

    oh no! the horrors of eating a roasted lamb on a holiday!!! what a horrible thing!!



    every animal sacrificed in those days was a Kosher animal and could ONLY be sacrificed in the Temple, an animal can be sacrificed no where else.



    as far as human sacrifice, that is absolutely ridiculous. First off, as i pointed out, only animals that could be eaten, Kosher animals, could be sacrificed as Kohanim would eat the roasted animal.

    HUMANS ARE NOT KOSHER TO EAT, PERIOD.



    Numbers 31:40 is talking about sacrificing the animals that the Israelites take after a conquest, what is owed to HaShem for aiding them in battle. It is not about sacrificing people!



    in regards to the story in Judges 11 commentary from Rashi shows that G-d did NOT want this and when it happened He punished her father because G-d does not desire human sacrifice:

    also other commentators have suggested that his daughter lived on but did not marry and spent her life in solitude studying Torah taken from the verse "and she had not known a man", meaning she never had children.



    what's also great is taking verses out of context to support wild accusations in an attempt to drag the holy scripture of another through the mud, for example the verses in Deut. are taken from a section describing the blessings that HaShem would pour upon Israel when it harkened to the Torah and the curses and punishments that would befall Israel when it fell away from the Covenant, including being besieged by an outside force and having to resort to the disgusting practice of cannibalism, which is NOT A MITZVOT OF THE TORAH.



    so in review, back in the olden days sacrifice was the normal means of communing w/ one's Deity so laws were established by HaShem the particular way they were to be done and where. However you will not find such practices done today, not in Judaism or Christianity.

    and Human sacrifice is not Kosher.
     
  6. pandamonk

    pandamonk Active Member

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    Well God did demand someone to sacrifice their only son, or something like that, to him, and then at the last moment change his mind.
     
  7. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    you mean the story of Akeidah, the binding of Isaac.
    this was a test of Abraham's faith in G-d, one of 10 that Abraham went through, it says:
    And it happened after these things that G-d tested Abraham...
    (Gen. 22:1)
    additionally the commentary from the Stone Edition Chumash says of this verse:
    This is the only one of Abraham's Ten Trials that the Torah explicitly calls a test, because the others were carried to completion as he understood them - Abraham actually left his homeland, sent away Ishmael, and so on - but this one remained nothing more than a test, because G-d gid not permit Abraham to slaugher Isaac (Abarbanel)
    additionally from the Midrash:
    The Midrash renders neesah (tested) in the sense of "elevated", like a nays, "banner", that flies high above an army or ship. Hence the verse would be rendered: And G-d exalted Abraham, trial upon trial, greatness after greatness. Abraham could achieve nothing higher, and after these events we do not find G-d addressing Abraham again, for he had achieved the zenith of his potential.

    just another perspective...
     
  8. SCIRLIN

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    First of all my posts were not anti-semetic. My deleted post was also not anti-semetic. Danisty you should learn what anti-semetic is, go to school get a life. And second of all i say what i think about the jews. The jews are not holy people or something like that. They are not gods. The jews think they are very special but they arent. All people are the same in my eyes.

    Why dont you just accept that your god is the deceiver of humanity?
     
  9. Ody

    Ody Well-Known Member

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    :biglaugh:
     
  10. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    if you wish contest an action then contact an Admin through PM

    that's fine, that's your opinion...besides, no jew would claim to be a g-d anyway

    why don't you accept that someone actually countered your thesis on G-d demanding human sacrifice and either support your arguement or admit your thesis is flawed
     
  11. SCIRLIN

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    alangurvey if you dont have to say anything besides posting a smilie, then pls dont post.
     
  12. Ðanisty

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    Well, apparently the moderator agreed with me.

    I am NOT a Christian. I hate to break this to you, but it's entirely possible for people who aren't Christians to disagree with you.
     
  13. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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