shivsomashekhar
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Is this an argument in favor of a creator God?
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Huge gap between humans and animals
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Is this an argument in favor of a creator God?
Specialism and generalism aren't terms used in biology generally. They're anthropology and sociology terms describing behavior. (And the criterion changes between large populations and tribal societies) When it is used in biology, if at all, it's used towards where the energy and mass go. A hyena is a specialized generalist (like humans) in that their physiology is specialized towards bite force, jaw mass and jaw strength but generalist in diet. Humans largest biological resource sink is our brains. It's what our body specializes in.
Audie
Veteran Member
Hmm. I disgree. I've seen the words often enough in
evolution writings.
As a biological generalist, humans able to climb
a sheer rock wall, dive to gather shellfish, live
in any climate, eat practically anything.
Puzzle solved
Apart from it not being a puzzle for over 100 years
ADigitalArtist,
In my humble opine, you must get away from the Idea, Theory of evolution, if you ever expect to understand, even the simple truths of The Almighty God’s words. There is no way that evolution fits in with God’s Creation!!! You are absolutely correct about the many Kinds, of animals there are, the problem is: if evolution was true, over millions of years of evolving, there would be NO distinct KiNDS now, everything would be evolving into the next higher KIND. The problem is, after millions of fossils have been unearthed, there has NEVER been found a fossil The was transitioning, or one that could not be identified as belonging to a certain KIND. Do you realize The impossibility of not finding even ONE fossil that had distinct evidence of evolving into anything???
Ontogenesis, ontogenetics, allows for a great and wide diversity within a KIND, without being evidence of evolution. Look at all the different breeds of dogs, cats, horses etc. with breeding techniques you can produce larger, smaller, different colors, but nothing even close to a different KIND. When an animal even gets close to the fringes of a KIND, as Mutants, or Mules from a female horse and a donkey, it cannot reproduce.
Something very interesting, in my eyes, that would have saved many scientists many, many hours of trying to get a different Kind to mate, is what is clearly stated in the first Chapter of Genesis, that every form of life, Animal or Vegetable, will reproduce, After it’s Own KIND, Genesis 1:11,12,21,24,25. This Natural Law of God, has been given a Name by Scientists, Prestabilism!!! This is an unbreakable Law of God!! Agape!!!
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
Humans are unique in that -unlike all other animals -their mental capacity is far greater than is necessary to simply be what they are -or be content with what they are.
We (ok -maybe some) are not content to eat, sleep, build adequate shelter and procreate.
Therefore, regardless of how it happened, humans are unique in their potential and potential future.
Unlike other animals, their capacity threatens the existence of all life on Earth -including their own -but if used correctly, it allows for increasing power of increasingly greater things.
Our capacity allows for increasing dominion/mastery of environment without evolving further physically -but we also consider doing things we could not do or withstand in our present form, and consider changing that form. We have the capacity to self-evolve, change the course of natural evolution -or even destroy most if not all progress thus far.
We desire to be more than human -and might accomplish it in the future (provided we have a future).
(Many scoff at the idea of God -even as they consider becoming gods.)
The question is whether it simply happened -or was intended for us.
Did "everything" become aware first and eventually dream of us (if in microcosm, why not macrocosm), did an alien race change the course of our evolution by design as we might someday -or are we the cutting edge?
The fact that it is a rather uncharacteristically-drastic imbalance (for nature/evolution) which has led us to our present situation and potential is a good place to start to look for answers.
Another interesting study would be the uncharacteristically-drastic changes in the world which happened about the time Adam's line was said to enter the mix (the bible does not actually say he was the first man by scientific definition -and indicates others were elswhere at the time).
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Jumi
Well-Known Member
People who don't take responsibility prevent us from solving a lot of them. So not very wise humans as a group.
At least we can be optimistic and hope that it doesn't fall on us too badly in our lifetimes, but becomes a deadlier problem only for our children and theirs.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
The world was not 'very good' until the first marriage with Adam and Eve.
Somehow together they are uniquely suited to reflect the glory of God
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
That you can't understand how sophomoric this type of thinking is is, quite frankly, sad. There are any number of animals better at ALL SORTS of things than we are.
- Can you run 50+ miles per hour?
- Can you breathe underwater?
- Are you strong enough to rip through bamboo with your bare teeth?
- Can you spin a web to catch your food?
- Can you smell things so intensely that you can find them from hundreds of yards away?
What makes "intelligence" the BEST attribute of all life as we know it, by your estimation?
And don't be naive... OF COURSE there are varying levels of intelligence found throughout the animal kingdom. You know this. It is disingenuous to imply otherwise.
Evolution also crosses anthropology, sociology and psychology too. Hunting patterns and habitat ranges are usually behavioral attributes unless theres something physically tying down to a habitat range (eg cave specialists).
Deer can also live in any habitat and are super resourceful in procuring a wide variety of foods (including opportunistic omnivory on occasion) but are never thought of as generalists (ecology) because of a specialized ecological nitch they fill.
The problem is just making opportunistic omnivore or opportunistic scavenger synonymous with generalism which doesn't have much nuance.
There's no reason to think there would be non-uniformity in evolution because theres still ecological nitches which bring selective pressures to population groups.
There are many, many examples of transitional fossils: Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ
And mules can and sometimes do reproduce, showing that the line between sterile hybrid and new species is not clear or consistant. Which it wouldn't be expected to in evolution. It is less common for mules because of uneven chromosomes which isn't the case for a lot of other hybrids that happen more frequently.
Cacotopia
Let's go full Trottle
Have you heard of the ice bucket challenge? Well guess what....there is a boiling water challenge, and many a moron hath taken up on that challenge of pure stupidity.
Humans despite their vast intelligence can FOREGO that superior intellect and choose to do completely ridiculous and retarded actions.
I doubt there are instances where animals choose to commit to an action they instinctually know will be the death of them, for an injury that debilitates them is the same thing as a death sentence. Break a leg? you are dead in the animal kingdom. They don't mess around, they take advantage of your injury and eat you. Oh look an injured animal, I don't have to eat multiple children today. I can munch on a big injured adult instead hooray!
Humans despite their vast intelligence can FOREGO that superior intellect and choose to do completely ridiculous and retarded actions.
I doubt there are instances where animals choose to commit to an action they instinctually know will be the death of them, for an injury that debilitates them is the same thing as a death sentence. Break a leg? you are dead in the animal kingdom. They don't mess around, they take advantage of your injury and eat you. Oh look an injured animal, I don't have to eat multiple children today. I can munch on a big injured adult instead hooray!
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Humans are unique in their way of life, many animals breathe underwater, many can smell
things far away ....etc, but no animal on earth can be compared to humans, none
"Why we can't even see animals in midway between humans and animals in
terms of thinking, talking and the ability to invent ..etc?"
Why if i wasnt so numinous i would be a roaring atheist just based on this dumb. As it is one has to just wonder why religion had become so self Absorbed.
terms of thinking, talking and the ability to invent ..etc?"
Why if i wasnt so numinous i would be a roaring atheist just based on this dumb. As it is one has to just wonder why religion had become so self Absorbed.
Ha well put.
Everything is unique.
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
All animals are unique not just humans. Humans share more with other animals than there are differences. Just because you want to think you are superior instead of unique is just your form of arrogance.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
This is a rather poorly formed demand. How come we don't see dogs between beagles and dogs? We do see animals that have intelligence in between our intelligence and that of other animals. In fact we have observed animal communicating with human based languages. Koko the Gorilla is an excellent example. She was taught ASL and could communicate quite well using that:
Koko (gorilla) - Wikipedia
Huge gaps between clueless idiots and those that arent. Different species?