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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by confused453, Mar 18, 2017.

  1. omega2xx

    omega2xx Well-Known Member

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    I don';t backtrack. I am discussing subjects with at least 6 others. My memory is not good enough to remember everything in every post to me.
     
  2. Milton Platt

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    They do not necessarily lead to a sea and when they do, it could be one of a number of different seas. Seeking to know if something is true requires you to choose the correct path. Faith has never been a pathway to truth. You can believe anything on faith. That's why there are so many religions.
     
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  3. confused453

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    Why did God force the laws on Israel, and not the other countries?
     
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    How do you define "well"? What in their history of "kinda-sorta government" to monarchy suggested their leaders were capable?
     
  5. ratiocinator

    ratiocinator Lightly seared on the reality grill.

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    You denied the idea of virtual particles (vacuum fluctuations) and (somewhat bizarrely) indicated that a perfect vacuum would be needed. I pointed out the Casimir effect has been measured and hence you were wrong on both counts.

    You then dismissed the theory and evidence as "scientific mumbo jumbo", to which I responded that the theory on which it is all based is actually one of the best tested in the history of science.

    In short you've been denying science again - clearly it isn't only evolutionary science that you deny.
     
  6. omega2xx

    omega2xx Well-Known Member

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    I googled "Casimir effect, and found it is not as clear cut as you said. My point is that nothing can't be the source of something. Not only is that absurd it is SCIENTIFICALLY impossible. According to Brad Lemley, this flickering has never been observed. My information is 15 years old, so maybe it has been by now, but what is the point even if it is true? It certainly can't explain the source of energy and life.
     
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    ratiocinator Lightly seared on the reality grill.

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    The Casimer effect has been measured and it matched the theory. However, the point was to demonstrate that you don't actually care about science - if you don't like it, you just deny that it's real.

    As for the wider point - we know the universe exists and nobody really knows fundamentally why it does: why this reality and not nothing or something different? But postulating a god just leaves you with an exactly equivalent problem: why this god and not nothing or something different?

    A reality with a god is exactly as mysterious as one without - god explains nothing.
     
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  8. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    I believe they all have some truth. The question should be what has your religion done for you. After all why would you want a useless religion?
     
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    I believe that is fine if one wishes to go to the sea but my wish is to have eternal life and that is only available through Jesus.
     
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    Muffled Jesus in me

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    I believe that is an errant Calvinist view. The Bible is available to everyone who chooses to read it.
     
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    God doesn't belong to religion. All religions come from the worshiping of false gods built with human hands according to the knowledge of the Beast.
     
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    I believe you have that right.

    I believe that is total fantasy.
     
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    It is absurd to say I care about science because I have no interest in one area of science. I love science; I insist on it. Real science disproves evolution.

    The ToE is not about God, it is about species evolving into a completely different species. I will let you start with any life you want. Now explain genetically how its off spring developed characteristic for which it parents did not have a gene.

    This is not about God, stick to science.
     
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    Life is a fantasy once you understand how we're created.
     
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    none of them.
    :):):)

    But assuming you still want to join a religion, Go with whatever suits your "persona".
    I would warmly suggest Jainism...

    It is by far the most peaceful religion I have ever encountered...
    After that, I would probably go with Pastafarianism ;)
     
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    Its the one you are born closest to of course man! Sadly that is mostly true :( Most blatant form of brainwashing ever.
     
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    How about life is a mystery once you understand how we're created?
     
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    Back on to the subject... I'd suggest you investigate. Nobody can tell you what religion to base your life on and whether to believe in god(s). You have to research. I know it can be long and hard, been there done that. But I can't hand it over to you. Even if you go through the same journey as I have, it's possible you'd reach a different conclusion. It's entirely possible you'd find god(s) along the way, while personally I could find nothing. And my personality requires good ethics, evidence and rationality, so a lot of stuff didn't sit well with me especially how some religions discriminate and how they expect you to just believe. I couldn't even find personal evidence, nothing came to me.

    Also remember to study the criticism of everything you read, not just the material from the religion. Personally it helped me a lot, especially when I felt doubt it only confirmed my doubt that something wasn't right. Don't trust/believe something just because a supposed "wise prophet" said so. You can also look into more secular and rational versions of religions too, some people take on the good teachings without believing that books are sacred or that there's supernatural beings. Sometimes there's good in religion so it would be throwing the baby with the bathwater to dismiss everything. Or there's alternatives like Secular Humanism.

    One last thing, you can doubt me too! That's fine, just try to think if what I said made sense or not.
     
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