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How we got to Jesus being the Son of God?

Discussion in 'Seekers Circle' started by Ellen Brown, Aug 6, 2019.

  1. Ellen Brown

    Ellen Brown Well-Known Member
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    Please don't stone me? This is an honest question.

    It's been years since I decided that the Jesus that the churchy people from the denomination I was with was not real. Much of that was due to the lack of charity, and not following the words of Jesus in their reaction to offenders, and post 9/11.

    In the NT Jesus is named as the Son of God several places. In Psalms there is "Kiss the Son, lest he be angry..."

    The OT came to us through several levels of translation and interpretation. Is it reliable?

    In Islam, he is seen as "The Best Prophet" but not as the Son of God because of the Islamic view of who Allah SWT is. Muslims see Allah SWT (God) as a spirit without a body. To be the best and only God, he can not procreate.

    What?
     
  2. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    and He gave instruction of prayer...…..Our Father

    whose Father?
    yours?...…..mine?
    ours?

    children of God are we?

    heaven hears it when you say it

    so too the devil
     
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    Jesus - son of man
    Christ - Son of God
    Jesus realized Christ within.
     
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    For one thing, Jesus himself in John 3 when talking to Nicodemus jumped there

    Jesus began calling himself 'Son of Man' and described as being like the bronze serpent in the wilderness who could save those facing a crisis of death.

    Then in the same though said '... for God so loved the world He gave His only Son...' and so Jesus jumps in the same thought from being 'some of man' to also 'Son of God'


    He does similar at His trial when he says he is 'Son of Man' and 'Son of God' and 'the Christ'
    Matthew 26:62-67
     
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    I was going to say something sleazy about Mother Mary but then I thought better of it.
     
  6. whirlingmerc

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    For another thing, there is a rather large 'Son of God' genre in the Old Testament. The kings of Israel in Psalms point to the one who God will say in Psalm 2 'You are my Son today I have begotten you'

    The Old Testament points to the coming one 'the Son of God'

    It's part of a promise given to David that he will always have a son to sit on his throne and
    that son is the Son, Jesus.
     
  7. Musing Bassist

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    Orthodox Christianity has always taught the divinity of Christ. It was not a doctrine that developed at Nicaea as so many think. Nicaea simply affirmed what was taught by the Apostles in the face of those pushing novel ideas. The real question should be how did we get people (within the Church) suddenly denying the divinity that had never been previously denied.

    So do Christians. God in the Second Person took on a human body at the incarnation. Nevertheless, God in His unchangeable nature remains an incorporeal spirit. Only the person of the Son became man. God in His essence did not.

    Christianity does not claim that God procreated. All three persons are one eternal God. The Son and the Holy Spirit have always existed along with the Father. Neither the Son or the Holy Spirit were created by the Father. All three have always existed.
     
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  8. calm

    calm 12/9/2019

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    I thought Mohammad was the best prophet of Islam?
     
  9. danieldemol

    danieldemol Well-Known Member
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    Actually a significant number of Muslims believe Allah has a literal face and hand
     
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  10. Ellen Brown

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    As Salaam Alaikum:
    Can't say. I think it was Isa PBUH. One source says that Muslims are to read the Injil. We can have different opinions on this.
     
  11. Ellen Brown

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    There is a wide divergence of opinion on this. Many Muslims do not know that they are supposed to read the Injil.

    "Zulkaneine,

    The Qurans instructs the Muslims to read the previous Holy Books which are the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, the Zabur and the Injil. Anyone who denies these holy books and the signs from Allah will perish on the Day of Judgement (Quran 4:136, 10:94-95). The last book of the Injil confirms that Injil is Allah’s final revelation and anyone who adds to these holy books will not go to heaven (Injil, Revelation 22:18-19)."

    The above is a quote from the web site: Isaandislam.com
     
  12. calm

    calm 12/9/2019

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    @Ellen Brown
    You're the first Muslim I know who says that Mohammad isn't the greatest prophet.
     
  13. danieldemol

    danieldemol Well-Known Member
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    According to my understanding IsaandIslam.com is a Christian website. That being said I agree that there are a diversity of opinions in Islam.
     
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