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How to Regulate the Porn Industry?

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
By this reasoning, we should legalize all human behavior and "regulate it" so we can tax it. But how are we going to "regulate it" without passing laws making it illegal to abuse and exploit humans for fun and profit? In the end, we either make it unacceptable, or we don't. And it's not the sex that's unacceptable. It's the exploitation of human sexuality that is, and should be deemed unacceptable. Legally and morally.
You seem to think pron can only be exploitative. That simply is not the case.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
No, porn is an industry that far too often exploits people to produce and monetize material that objectifies people "doing what people do." Pretending that it is equivalent to erotic art is sophomoric at best. I am rather surprised that an evangelical humanist, one who presumably embraces

"a rational philosophy informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by compassion. Affirming the dignity of each human being, ..."​

would so casually trivialize the issue.

That said, I would prefer a minimum of regulation and focus instead on creating an economy where participating in the port trade is truly a choice.
We have to separate porn from the industry. Much like how in the days of alcohol prohibition gang violence became a problem, but thats not a problem of alcohol. Rather it was problems with how alcohol was made illegal.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
You seem to think pron can only be exploitative. That simply is not the case.
That's not what I think. I think porn-for-profit is inherently offensive and exploitative. And is socially toxic. But sexual imagery, for it's own sake (and with appropriate consent), is not. I'm not against the sexual content. I'm against the sexual exploitation involved in the for-profit production of the content.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
That's not what I think. I think porn-for-profit is inherently offensive and exploitative. And is socially toxic. But sexual imagery, for it's own sake (and with appropriate consent), is not. I'm not against the sexual content. I'm against the sexual exploitation involved in the for-profit production of the content.
This is a for profit society. Better to regulate it than tell those who want to do it for money and those who like doing it for a living they can't.
Better to regulate it and weed out the exploitation than ban the whole thing.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
This is a for profit society. Better to regulate it than tell those who want to do it for money and those who like doing it for a living they can't.
Better to regulate it and weed out the exploitation than ban the whole thing.
It's precisely because a "for profit society" is so exploitative and damaging to the humans involved that it needs to be "regulated". So I say let's "regulate" it out of existence, in the case of pornography-for-profit.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
It's precisely because a "for profit society" is so exploitative and damaging to the humans involved that it needs to be "regulated". So I say let's "regulate" it out of existence, in the case of pornography-for-profit.
You'd have to completely overhaul society from the ground-up for that to work.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
It's precisely because a "for profit society" is so exploitative and damaging to the humans involved that it needs to be "regulated". So I say let's "regulate" it out of existence, in the case of pornography-for-profit.
If I make a solo video and upload it myself who is being exploited or damaged? Myself, and I'm doing it to myself? I've put porn of myself on a site before and wasn't bothered by it (obviously not or I wouldn't have uploaded it).
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
How to Regulate the Porn Industry?

All websites and internet advertising containing Porn require a ".xxx" domain. This would make it much easier to filter out.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
How to Regulate the Porn Industry?

All websites and internet advertising containing Porn require a ".xxx" domain. This would make it much easier to filter out.
Very good idea, and if just one url was problematic there could be several just as long as they were registered publicly so that filters could ID them.
 

Suave

Simulated character
I was looking around to determine whether I was going to believe claims that porn was addictive, harmful to families, harmful to people, and I found myself on a tangent. Apparently there is widespread agreement that the porn industry is frequently operating outside the law and that porn actors are not treated fairly, but there is not a plan to address it. There is also widespread understanding that regulation of porn is ambiguous and doesn't seem wise to the public in how its being done. Guidance from the courts is bizarre, putting it under the free speech clause.

Here is one porn actress trying to start up a site that does better, and she says she can't get anyone interested in improving the porn industry:

We have some extremes in how we regulate porn. Children aren't permitted access to porn magazines in stores, but most children have access to free porn across the internet. There is no automatic protection there, and the porn that's available can include deviant behavior and violence. This concerns some people more than others, but its a schizophrenic approach to regulating porn. Its an all or nothing approach which currently is set to full tilt all mode. It comes from considering porn to be free speech. This confuses the issue. Often we have laws aimed at reducing child access to porn, but they are overturned by courts because of free speech. I don't think porn is free speech. I do think it is a right but not a free speech right and is part of the pursuit of happiness not speech. Court precedents can sometimes seem detached from reality. The courts need to return to the wisdom of upholding the dignity of the court, perhaps do an about face, perhaps be willing to rethink. They are digging themselves into a hole by making too many things equal to free speech.

The value of porn is what? We can obviously survive without it and apparently have trouble regulating it. Its a pursuit of happiness issue not a free speech issue. It should regulated in a way that children cannot gain access without adult assistance. Its very simple to do that. You simply require adult identification, and you require web sites to require that identification. That isn't happening, because the courts have gone insane on this issue. What cannot be construed as free speech? What behavior, in the end, isn't free speech?

I'd rather have people releasing their sexual frustrations by looking at porn than by taking out their sexual frustrations by sexual violence.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
That's not what I think. I think porn-for-profit is inherently offensive and exploitative. And is socially toxic. But sexual imagery, for it's own sake (and with appropriate consent), is not. I'm not against the sexual content. I'm against the sexual exploitation involved in the for-profit production of the content.
So if a married couple who were into exhibitionism decided to put on a cam show for fun plus extra income, you think someone should step in and shut it down?
 

PureX

Veteran Member
You'd have to completely overhaul society from the ground-up for that to work.
Not the whole society, just the porn industry. We don't need it, and it's socially toxic. There are lots of human behaviors we do not tolerate at all. I'm only suggesting we don't tolerate pornography, for profit.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
If I make a solo video and upload it myself who is being exploited or damaged? Myself, and I'm doing it to myself? I've put porn of myself on a site before and wasn't bothered by it (obviously not or I wouldn't have uploaded it).
You missed my point. I'm only suggesting we ban FOR-PROFIT pornography. You can share all the images and stories and activities you want to, so long as they're free (and done with legal, informed consent). I am not against the sexual content, only the profit motive behind it. Because that profit motive perverts 'free and informed consent' and enables and encourages sexual, physical, and emotional exploitation. Nearly every pornographic image being created is the result of ill-informed coercion for the sake of profit, and would not exist without that toxic motive.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
So if a married couple who were into exhibitionism decided to put on a cam show for fun plus extra income, you think someone should step in and shut it down?
Yes, I do. It would be acceptable, except for the profit motive. Exploiting human sexuality for money is a socially toxic behavior that we need not and should not tolerate as a society.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Not the whole society, just the porn industry. We don't need it, and it's socially toxic. There are lots of human behaviors we do not tolerate at all. I'm only suggesting we don't tolerate pornography, for profit.
Our economy in general is exploitative. Unless you are at the very top of it, you are being exploited somewhere. Enforcing our morality to address one issue of a much larger problem will solve, fix, and address nothing. You take away income for many, while in the mean time the rest of the economy remains exploitative. Nothing that lead to the conditions and issues of abuse in the porn industry will be addressed.
Thinking money is the solution is a capitalist way of thinking. We know now stuff just does not work like that.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Yes, I do. It would be acceptable, except for the profit motive. Exploiting human sexuality for money is a socially toxic behavior that we need not and should not tolerate as a society.
You don't seem to know much about humans. There is no exploitation there if the couple is willingly wanting to do it. Some people enjoy doing it. Some people don't mind or see it as that big of a deal. It's especially good if the couple can legally do everything and keep the money for themselves without it going to anyone else.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
Because society is sexually repressed.
It is admittedly difficult to find society as sexually repressed as ours is. That could be a factor, but it could be fallacious, too to cite it as the cause. The correlation could be misleading. What societies that aren't sexually repressed don't, to your knowledge, have a similar problem of mistreating sex workers? What's a good example?
 
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