How to Regulate the Porn Industry?

[Samael_Khan]

What? ... and stop my buddy Mick from making same $$$?
We need to open the doors for our young friends and not hinder them from creating social media sites, where young people can meet total strangers randomly selected for them, and exchange pictures., and when it is so obvious, that even the youngest child who don't even know how to spell their name, much less fill a captcha, can access a site without registration, and see pictures of people without clothes... and worst, it's because there is a glitch in the system, too big to fix.
I think I see them now

Welcome to Satan's world. It's clear isn't it? He is its ruler.
Although many people don't believe that.

I fully agree with you on the social media issue.

But Satan isn't needed for these issues to occur. Also, the conspiracy theory that Satan is behind all the problems in the world accomplishes nothing practical.

 

[stvdv]

I was looking around to determine whether I was going to believe claims that porn was addictive, harmful to families, harmful to people

How to Regulate the Porn Industry?

IMO:

When it's harmful to people, it will be harmful to families. Most important to know "is it harmful to myself or my Self". And how to know?

Jesus has said "become like children" AND "let the children come to me". Seems to me it's paramount to become innocent like children.

For me an easy way to check whether or not it is harmful to me, is to just imagine Jesus sitting next to me watching it
IF Jesus is not working, I might imagine Shiva watching it together with me
And IF that is not working, I could try Mother Mary
Or the Divine Mother

Usually I need not go to through the whole list to know whether or not something is harmful
I do not need to picture my Master, Sai Baba, because I clearly heard Him told on this subject

How to regulate the porn industry?
That will be regulated by itself, depending upon the people choosing whether to watch it or not
IF enough people want to watch it and watch it, the industry will grow
IF less people watch, the industry goes down as quickly

 

[MNoBody]

 

[ChristineM]

There is no problem that can see with "legal" porn, it's what we all do (most of us) anyway. But i see no problem with regulators having more power to be able to act against illegal stuff, i am loath to call it porn. Perhaps an international body rather than on a country by country basis

Pornography laws by region - Wikipedia


I for one have had a very positive outcome from porn. I was naive in the extreme when i married, as was hubby. Hum drum sex was the norm untill i had reason to improve. I used porn sites to study and learned i had been missing so much.

I am pretty sure our marrage would not have survived more than 25 years without it.

 

[danieldemol]

For me an easy way to check whether or not it is harmful to me, is to just imagine Jesus sitting next to me watching it

Jesus is welcome to watch a porno with me anyday so long as He keeps His judgemental views to Himself.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I was looking around to determine whether I was going to believe claims that porn was addictive, harmful to families, harmful to people, and I found myself on a tangent. Apparently there is widespread agreement that the porn industry is frequently operating outside the law and that porn actors are not treated fairly, but there is not a plan to address it. There is also widespread understanding that regulation of porn is ambiguous and doesn't seem wise to the public in how its being done. Guidance from the courts is bizarre, putting it under the free speech clause.

Here is one porn actress trying to start up a site that does better, and she says she can't get anyone interested in improving the porn industry:

We have some extremes in how we regulate porn. Children aren't permitted access to porn magazines in stores, but most children have access to free porn across the internet. There is no automatic protection there, and the porn that's available can include deviant behavior and violence. This concerns some people more than others, but its a schizophrenic approach to regulating porn. Its an all or nothing approach which currently is set to full tilt all mode. It comes from considering porn to be free speech. This confuses the issue. Often we have laws aimed at reducing child access to porn, but they are overturned by courts because of free speech. I don't think porn is free speech. I do think it is a right but not a free speech right and is part of the pursuit of happiness not speech. Court precedents can sometimes seem detached from reality. The courts need to return to the wisdom of upholding the dignity of the court, perhaps do an about face, perhaps be willing to rethink. They are digging themselves into a hole by making too many things equal to free speech.

The value of porn is what? We can obviously survive without it and apparently have trouble regulating it. Its a pursuit of happiness issue not a free speech issue. It should regulated in a way that children cannot gain access without adult assistance. Its very simple to do that. You simply require adult identification, and you require web sites to require that identification. That isn't happening, because the courts have gone insane on this issue. What cannot be construed as free speech? What behavior, in the end, isn't free speech?

Porn is hardly the worst thing you can come across online. It's just people having sex. Who cares. That nonsense about it being "addictive" is pseudo-scientific bunk. If you live in America, it's quite legal and just a couple clicks away to watch murder, suicide, execution, torture, etc. videos. You can watch the most depraved and horrific acts online and it's totally legal to see. So complaining about porn is rather quaint, honestly.

 

[stvdv]

For me an easy way to check whether or not it is harmful to me, is to just imagine Jesus sitting next to me watching it

Jesus is welcome to watch a porno with me anyday so long as He keeps His judgemental views to Himself.

You missed what I meant I think. My Jesus is not judging

It's not about Jesus judging, that makes things "bad"
It's about people judging themselves making things "bad"

 

[PureX]

Where has that ever worked? Better to just legalize and regulate it and make tax money in the process.

By this reasoning, we should legalize all human behavior and "regulate it" so we can tax it. But how are we going to "regulate it" without passing laws making it illegal to abuse and exploit humans for fun and profit? In the end, we either make it unacceptable, or we don't. And it's not the sex that's unacceptable. It's the exploitation of human sexuality that is, and should be deemed unacceptable. Legally and morally.

 

[Father Heathen]

Perhaps require participants in commercial porn production to be licensed to ensure they're of age, legal citizens, not being trafficked, tested for STDs, etc.
Legalize prostitution and require the same.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

The value of porn is what?

well, maybe there are some people out there that aren't going to get much of the real thing... what are you suggesting they do.. we can't just expect their minds to be saintly pure

You simply require adult identification, and you require web sites to require that identification.

I guess maybe make it so you have to go to a government office and get an id number, then you can punch that it in

 

[Goddess Kit]

As a deity, it's a fun past time to watch you have sex.

I see nothing wrong with the porn industry, at least it's freer than the church.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Jesus has said "become like children" AND "let the children come to me". Seems to me it's paramount to become innocent like children.

I hear what you're saying. I don't interpret that passage the way you do and see it as an allusion to something else other than the ignorance of children, however a lot of people...a great number of people...do. I recognize that a lot of thinking people and voters do.

I guess maybe make it so you have to go to a government office and get an id number, then you can punch that it in

That is technically a way to do it, and they do something analogous to that for internet in the UK. Many people feel that is a violation of privacy, but that probably wouldn't even become an issue here in the US before free speech did. I think first our courts would consider whether it was censorship, then consider issues of privacy. The government has already infringed privacy and has been exposed for doing so. Here its a speech issue.

well, maybe there are some people out there that aren't going to get much of the real thing... what are you suggesting they do.. we can't just expect their minds to be saintly pure

I don't have an issue with the existence of porn. After all if a person takes of their clothes they potentially become porn. The question to is how to regulate porn access such that children don't get access. Before the internet we did so here in the US.

Perhaps require participants in commercial porn production to be licensed to ensure they're of age, legal citizens, not being trafficked, tested for STDs, etc.

Yes good idea, but why isn't it being done? For at least a decade I've been hearing about the need for it. I don't think its likely to ever happen, because it hasn't happened. If it hasn't happened it may never happen.

Porn is hardly the worst thing you can come across online. It's just people having sex. Who cares. That nonsense about it being "addictive" is pseudo-scientific bunk. If you live in America, it's quite legal and just a couple clicks away to watch murder, suicide, execution, torture, etc. videos. You can watch the most depraved and horrific acts online and it's totally legal to see. So complaining about porn is rather quaint, honestly.

I can only insist that what children see should be decided by adults that know them and are responsible for and concerned for their well being, but there is an increasing need for children to use internet services. There is plenty of room for regulation here without stifling free speech. We either don't let children onto the net or we have a separate net for kids or we require access for porn....something. I don't see why a child should be able to wander onto the net and see kittens being crushed or sexual acts between children and adults or other things that are obscene. In ancient times it was considered Ok. Now its not, and that's just how I see it. I think that if we can we should make the

Well, if people can watch movies about child abuse, murderers, and people turn to vampires flying naked to have sex with a werewolf, I honestly don't see porn as a big deal.

For adults I agree. Some adults aren't mentally able to handle it, but most are. Children are usually not, and children are being exposed to these images and ideas too easily and too early. To me it seems like to little is being done to help parents deal with that problem. There is increasingly a need to have internet access in the house. Also the porn industry isn't regulated well. That's the other objection. The actors aren't getting treated well for life changing work. Once a porn actor always a porn actor. Its not like flipping burgers. The images are always there forever, and the porn actor is a public figure forever after.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

For adults I agree. Some adults aren't mentally able to handle it, but most are. Children are usually not, and children are being exposed to these images and ideas too easily and too early. To me it seems like to little is being done to help parents deal with that problem. There is increasingly a need to have internet access in the house. Also the porn industry isn't regulated well. That's the other objection. The actors aren't getting treated well for life changing work. Once a porn actor always a porn actor. Its not like flipping burgers. The images are always there forever, and the porn actor is a public figure forever after.

The last part, it's the same for child molester if they came from jail. Once a child molester, always a child molester. It really has more to do with the audience in porn industries. No business can succeed without good reviews. Really has nothing to do with the porn itself, but the cultural stereotypes and bias attached to them-which for the most part are religious in nature.

 

[Brickjectivity]

The last part, it's the same for child molester if they came from jail. Once a child molester, always a child molester. It really has more to do with the audience in porn industries. No business can succeed without good reviews. Really has nothing to do with the porn itself, but the cultural stereotypes and bias attached to them-which for the most part are religious in nature.

It is not obvious that cultural stereotypes aren't going to change just because of the existence of porn, and we aren't going to get rid of the culture. We're going to make it function the best it can, holistically. Culture involves stereotypes. The way I see it we can wait ten thousand years for culture to change, but in the meantime we've got people out there getting cheated out of proper remuneration for what it costs to become a porn actor.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I can only insist that what children see should be decided by adults that know them and are responsible for and concerned for their well being, but there is an increasing need for children to use internet services. There is plenty of room for regulation here without stifling free speech. We either don't let children onto the net or we have a separate net for kids or we require access for porn....something. I don't see why a child should be able to wander onto the net and see kittens being crushed or sexual acts between children and adults or other things that are obscene. In ancient times it was considered Ok. Now its not, and that's just how I see it. I think that if we can we should make the

I think parents and guardians are going to have to do more to educate and monitor their own children, really. There's plenty of site filters they cN make use of. Of course, child porn and crush videos are illegal so that's not what I'm referring to here.

 

[Regiomontanus]

I was looking around to determine whether I was going to believe claims that porn was addictive, harmful to families, harmful to people, and I found myself on a tangent. Apparently there is widespread agreement that the porn industry is frequently operating outside the law and that porn actors are not treated fairly, but there is not a plan to address it. There is also widespread understanding that regulation of porn is ambiguous and doesn't seem wise to the public in how its being done. Guidance from the courts is bizarre, putting it under the free speech clause.

Here is one porn actress trying to start up a site that does better, and she says she can't get anyone interested in improving the porn industry:

We have some extremes in how we regulate porn. Children aren't permitted access to porn magazines in stores, but most children have access to free porn across the internet. There is no automatic protection there, and the porn that's available can include deviant behavior and violence. This concerns some people more than others, but its a schizophrenic approach to regulating porn. Its an all or nothing approach which currently is set to full tilt all mode. It comes from considering porn to be free speech. This confuses the issue. Often we have laws aimed at reducing child access to porn, but they are overturned by courts because of free speech. I don't think porn is free speech. I do think it is a right but not a free speech right and is part of the pursuit of happiness not speech. Court precedents can sometimes seem detached from reality. The courts need to return to the wisdom of upholding the dignity of the court, perhaps do an about face, perhaps be willing to rethink. They are digging themselves into a hole by making too many things equal to free speech.

The value of porn is what? We can obviously survive without it and apparently have trouble regulating it. Its a pursuit of happiness issue not a free speech issue. It should regulated in a way that children cannot gain access without adult assistance. Its very simple to do that. You simply require adult identification, and you require web sites to require that identification. That isn't happening, because the courts have gone insane on this issue. What cannot be construed as free speech? What behavior, in the end, isn't free speech?

It would be wonderful if it could be banned outright. But the internet makes that impossible.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I think parents and guardians are going to have to do more to educate and monitor their own children, really. There's plenty of site filters they cN make use of. Of course, child porn and crush videos are illegal so that's not what I'm referring to here.

Cartoon child porn isn't illegal or isn't enforced as such. The law only goes after photographic porn. All a child has to do is type in "What is porn?" Any mobile phone, any desktop, even some public kiosks and libraries. Again I'm not against the existence of porn, but it should be regulated in a way that protects children from getting to it on their own early.

Filters are Ok but filters don't care about children. They aren't intelligent.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Cartoon child porn isn't illegal or isn't enforced as such. The law only goes after photographic porn. All a child has to do is type in "What is porn?" Any mobile phone, any desktop, even some public kiosks and libraries. Again I'm not against the existence of porn, but it should be regulated in a way that protects children from getting to it on their own early.

Filters are Ok but filters don't care about children. They aren't intelligent.

To be honest, I don't tend to care that much because there's worse that a kid can stumble across online than adults having sex. I don't have kids, and don't particularly care to, and I don't believe that society should be structured around "protecting kids". Parents need to carry out their responsibility to educate their children about inappropriate material online and monitor their usage. They made the decision to have kids and so they need to fulfill their duty as parents. It's not my responsibility. I don't understand why so many parents are terrified to discuss sex with their children, anyway. It's very bizarre.

 

[ChristineM]

All a child has to do is type in "What is porn?"

Its far more than that, once while searching for cat videos (yes i know, i know) i entered "cute *****" ***** being common parlance for cat in the UK. I learned my lesson and educated myself a little on American english difference.

Just saying, you don't actually need to search for porn to get hit by it

Edit. And RF being American, the filters have edited my post

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Porn is people doing what people do. The only difference is that in porn, you put it on film for other people to watch.

No, porn is an industry that far too often exploits people to produce and monetize material that objectifies people "doing what people do." Pretending that it is equivalent to erotic art is sophomoric at best. I am rather surprised that an evangelical humanist, one who presumably embraces

"a rational philosophy informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by compassion. Affirming the dignity of each human being, ..."​

would so casually trivialize the issue.

That said, I would prefer a minimum of regulation and focus instead on creating an economy where participating in the port trade is truly a choice.