How to deal with Leftist Anarchists

[JakofHearts]

Over the past week I have seen these spoiled brat children, leftist anarchists rioting and destroying public property which is illegal. Most of them have no idea what the hell they are rioting about, a lot of them are professional anarchists and paid moronic rioters. Protesting is one thing, rioting and destroying private property is another. I suggest president Donald Trump send in the military when these idiots start rioting and destroying private and tax payer property and disperse these anarchists with tear gas bombs or more.

These fools who ever they are need to realize that the United States of America is a land of law and order, liberty and freedom, and if they can't handle, accept, conform to our laws then they should move and devote themselves to socialist/anarchist nations which they claim to aspire to. I personally think they are all for the most part full of s**t! And for you idiots who support these socialist anarchists, don't even think I am going to debate you on this, your not worthy!!

I am sick and appalled by all of it!

They are a shameful bunch, but it's more shameful not to do anything about it. The right should start to wisen up and be prepared to defend themselves and others. Domestic terrorism should not be tolerated.

 

[Kirran]

Rioting...

I said 'exactly'.

I do not condone the destruction of personal property or violence against innocent bystanders, but that doesn't mean I see the protest as illegitimate, or the oppression which has driven people to this as less real and less of a problem.

Let's not play with leaves while the roots are sick.

 

[Electus de Lumine]

Over the past week I have seen these spoiled brat children, leftist anarchists rioting and destroying public property which is illegal. Most of them have no idea what the hell they are rioting about, a lot of them are professional anarchists and paid moronic rioters. Protesting is one thing, rioting and destroying private property is another. I suggest president Donald Trump send in the military when these idiots start rioting and destroying private and tax payer property and disperse these anarchists with tear gas bombs or more.

These fools who ever they are need to realize that the United States of America is a land of law and order, liberty and freedom, and if they can't handle, accept, conform to our laws then they should move and devote themselves to socialist/anarchist nations which they claim to aspire to. I personally think they are all for the most part full of s**t! And for you idiots who support these socialist anarchists, don't even think I am going to debate you on this, your not worthy!!

I am sick and appalled by all of it!

These are not true anarchists, they wish for a ruler that they did not receive and became angry at other people for it.

I am a anarchist (leftist libertarian) and I would appreciate it if you did not use what I am as an insult.

 

[suncowiam]

I said 'exactly'.

I do not condone the destruction of personal property or violence against innocent bystanders, but that doesn't mean I see the protest as illegitimate, or the oppression which has driven people to this as less real and less of a problem.

Let's not play with leaves while the roots are sick.

You're playing with syntax.

If you condone rioting, then you have to condone the violence and destruction of property. That is the very definition of the word. Of course, it wouldn't be an RF thread without a proper definition.

ri·ot
ˈrīət/Submit
noun
1.
a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd.
"riots broke out in the capital"
synonyms: uproar, commotion, upheaval, disturbance, furor, tumult, melee, scuffle, fracas, fray, brawl, free-for-all; More
2.
an impressively large or varied display of something.
"the garden was a riot of color"
synonyms: mass, sea, splash, show, exhibition
"the garden was a riot of color"
verb
1.
take part in a violent public disturbance.

"Let's not play with leaves while the roots are sick."
Sorry, I don't understand that proverb. I actually do want to understand it so could you please explain it to me and how it relates to our conversation?

 

[David1967]

They were doing all of those things, and fighting police. And now are celebrated in no uncertain terms by pretty much anyone who supports LGBT+ rights. Forceful protests get out of hand. But that doesn't make them illegitimate.

No. There are better ways. When it resorts to anarchy it loses credibility.

 

[suncowiam]

These are not true anarchists, they wish for a ruler that they did not receive and became angry at other people for it.

I am a anarchist (leftist libertarian) and I would appreciate it if you did not use what I am as an insult.

What ideal world do you live in that you get to choose your leader every single term?

People forget that there was an election process allowed to every American citizen... And maybe some Russian hackers, but that's besides the point.

 

[Lyndon]

I heard the rioters in Berkeley were Alt right Trump supporters trying to give leftists a bad name, anything is possible.

 

[Electus de Lumine]

What ideal world do you live in that you get to choose your leader every single term?

People forget that there was an election process allowed to every American citizen... And maybe some Russian hackers, but that's besides the point.

I think you did not read what I said.

I said that the ones rioting are not anarchist. I am a anarchist.

A true anarchist does not want any leaders, they do not riot when they want a specific one.

 

[Adramelek]

That is not probably the best way to start a conversation about this phenomena.

I like you YmirGF, but you should know I didn't create this thread to make friends, or the "best" way to start any kind of conversation on this subject, but rather the most logical and truthful way.

 

[suncowiam]

I think you did not read what I said.

I said that the ones rioting are not anarchist. I am a anarchist.

A true anarchist does not want any leaders, they do not riot when they want a specific one.

Oh OK. Gotcha now.

 

[Spiderman]

Agreed ... however, I don't care which groups these insurrectionists belong to, nor should it ultimately matter. They should be arrested and prosecuted according to the law, and made an example of.

Agreed!

 

[Kirran]

You're playing with syntax.

If you condone rioting, then you have to condone the violence and destruction of property. That is the very definition of the word. Of course, it wouldn't be an RF thread without a proper definition.

ri·ot
ˈrīət/Submit
noun
1.
a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd.
"riots broke out in the capital"
synonyms: uproar, commotion, upheaval, disturbance, furor, tumult, melee, scuffle, fracas, fray, brawl, free-for-all; More
2.
an impressively large or varied display of something.
"the garden was a riot of color"
synonyms: mass, sea, splash, show, exhibition
"the garden was a riot of color"
verb
1.
take part in a violent public disturbance.

"Let's not play with leaves while the roots are sick."
Sorry, I don't understand that proverb. I actually do want to understand it so could you please explain it to me and how it relates to our conversation?

I don't condone rioting, full stop, then.

As for the proverb - OK, riots are happening for a reason, right? So do we try and cover them up and reduce them and arrest people in them? Or do we look at why they're happening and solve the root problem>

No. There are better ways. When it resorts to anarchy it loses credibility.

If you look at Stonewall's role in the gay liberation movement, you will see that doesn't always hold true. Civilised protests and speaking and organising had been happening for many years by that point, to no effect. What got things moving, what gave the oppressed groups confidence, what eventually brought them sympathy and understanding, was their standing up and protesting forcefully. It worked.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

The violent protests are a minimal problem. The legislation being passed by congress on a daily basis? That is a huge problem. I am familar with no less than 13 major incidents having repelaed enviromental protections, worker protections or anti-corruption actions put in place by the previous administration. Its honestly frightening the speed and swiftness that it happens. Only a very select few ever get media attention.

I'm not an anarchist as I don't see it as a viable solution long term. However a little bit of anarchy does the republic good. Keeps the government on its toes. I won't really complain if the riots get much worse so long as people aren't hurt and if damanges are done hopefuly they are done in meaningful places and to those of meaningful ownership.

 

[suncowiam]

I don't condone rioting, full stop, then.

As for the proverb - OK, riots are happening for a reason, right? So do we try and cover them up and reduce them and arrest people in them? Or do we look at why they're happening and solve the root problem>



If you look at Stonewall's role in the gay liberation movement, you will see that doesn't always hold true. Civilised protests and speaking and organising had been happening for many years by that point, to no effect. What got things moving, what gave the oppressed groups confidence, what eventually brought them sympathy and understanding, was their standing up and protesting forcefully. It worked.

I know why the riots are happening, and... We should arrest those that were violent and causing harm.

I agree with the womens March. I agree with various protests concerning Trump's agenda but I can't agree with the Berkeley protest. What they're effectively doing is protesting free speech. I don't agree with alt right. I abhore it but like me they have the right to free speech.

 

[Kirran]

I know why the riots are happening, and... We should arrest those that were violent and causing harm.

I agree with the womens March. I agree with various protests concerning Trump's agenda but I can't agree with the Berkeley protest. What they're effectively doing is protesting free speech. I don't agree with alt right. I abhore it but like me they have the right to free speech.

I think that forceful protests seeking to resist the normalisation of alt-right voices is fair enough.

 

[suncowiam]

The violent protests are a minimal problem. The legislation being passed by congress on a daily basis? That is a huge problem. I am familar with no less than 13 major incidents having repelaed enviromental protections, worker protections or anti-corruption actions put in place by the previous administration. Its honestly frightening the speed and swiftness that it happens. Only a very select few ever get media attention.

I'm not an anarchist as I don't see it as a viable solution long term. However a little bit of anarchy does the republic good. Keeps the government on its toes. I won't really complain if the riots get much worse so long as people aren't hurt and if damanges are done hopefuly they are done in meaningful places and to those of meaningful ownership.

Here's my issue... These rioters have no problem destroying things they dont own. It's OK to hurt others even if they had no part of why the rioters are protesting in the first place.

Not that I condone this but if people are going for awareness then at least do damage to their own property and damage to themselves.

The most attention I can recall are from monks fasting or even burning themselves. Although I don't condone it one bit, however after the fact I have the utmost respect for these individuals. They truly sacrificed for their causes.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

No. There are better ways. When it resorts to anarchy it loses credibility.

The Suffragettes would disagree with you. For years before they started their violent protests, the British government almost completely ignored the peaceful Suffragists. The Suffragettes forced the issue of womens' suffrage in Britain into the spotlight and made sure it stayed there.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Here's my issue... These rioters have no problem destroying things they dont own. It's OK to hurt others even if they had no part of why the rioters are protesting in the first place.

Not that I condone this but if people are going for awareness then at least do damage to their own property and damage to themselves.

The most attention I can recall are from monks fasting or even burning themselves. Although I don't condone it one bit, however after the fact I have the utmost respect for these individuals. They truly sacrificed for their causes.

I don't know. I recall throwing a whole bunch of tea they didn't own into the harbor to be fairly effective.

If they want to protest what the banks are doing then wreck a bank. Don't wreck a mom and pop shop. I can understand the correlation. And the message gets heard. Rioting isn't a good thing but neither are the reasons they are rioting. You can't throw it in a bubble and end the conversation.

Or lets not forget. People complain, as we see exemplified here in this thread, about violent protests. People need to protest peacefully. Kaepernick simply took a knee and he got more flack than any of the rioters. So which is it? What course of action should leftists take to get the message over to the conservatives? Passive nonviolence has not worked. Violence causes outrage. Logically by means of deduction if all avenues of nonviolent and non-destructive protest has not worked it only means there is one direction to go.

Riots happen when the people are not taken seriously by less extreme means. I don't think its a good thing. I don't think that we need to have violent riots. We should never attack random people for who they voted for. That all is for sure. But it is ignorant to write it off as a child's temper tantrum.

 

[Flame]

Forceful protests are needed however there is an extremely fine line. The moment your protests become riots where workplaces and personal property are destroyed along with people becoming injured or worse dead then you become no better then the thing you were trying to protest against.

 

[1137]

Over the past week I have seen these spoiled brat children, leftist anarchists rioting and destroying public property which is illegal. Most of them have no idea what the hell they are rioting about, a lot of them are professional anarchists and paid moronic rioters. Protesting is one thing, rioting and destroying private property is another. I suggest president Donald Trump send in the military when these idiots start rioting and destroying private and tax payer property and disperse these anarchists with tear gas bombs or more.

These fools who ever they are need to realize that the United States of America is a land of law and order, liberty and freedom, and if they can't handle, accept, conform to our laws then they should move and devote themselves to socialist/anarchist nations which they claim to aspire to. I personally think they are all for the most part full of s**t! And for you idiots who support these socialist anarchists, don't even think I am going to debate you on this, your not worthy!!

I am sickened and appalled by all of it!

You know our differences via left vs right, but these people disgust me as well. Grow up! Write to senators and publish cited information like an educated, cognitive being.