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How to cope with insomnia?

Discussion in 'Health & Healing' started by Geoff-Allen, May 14, 2019.

  1. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    The best way to cope with insomnia is to sleep on it.

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  2. sealchan

    sealchan Well-Known Member

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    I can see that many people here have given much thought and/or have struggled with sleep. Most of my knowledge comes from personal experimentation. I haven't traced it back to science yet, I suspect that science has some contextual answers. But since my experience relies on knowing my diet and stress and other factors and is tuned to whatsoever makes my body tick I assume it may be hard to reconcile the two at this time. Also, although doctors are always a good resource they often miss the most practical things when one looks at ones whole bodily and mental experience.

    Sleep is all about the brain's ability to naturally enter that state of less consciousness that it enters on a daily basis. Obviously it appears to require that there are no over-riding neural stimulations that interfere with that natural process. I have found that identifying the relevant causes of stimulation of the brain, even those that are not obviously conscious, is vital (but for obvious reasons tricky).

    Here is a list of factors that one has to manage that impact sleep:
    • Availability of energy in the body (probably blood sugar level)
    • Stress
    • External Sensory Input
    • Internal Sensory Input (Digestion, Elimination, Pain)
    In my current understanding, sleep is a cycle that has multiple layers. There is a roughly 45 minute cycle and an 1.5 hour cycle, a 3 hour cycle, a 4.5 hour cycle, etc... If you estimate when your body thinks it has started this cycle (whether you are fully unconscious or not) then you will find that if you wake up again before a full night's sleep, it will be at one of these times IF you are not awoken by some random external factor such as a noise. The body will more or less complete a sleep cycle and then commence a new sleep cycle unless one of the disturbing factors overcomes that re-descent back into sleep. So the interval of 45 minutes is a time when the sleep pattern is much more likely to be stopped. This is probably the natural way the body determines it has enough sleep as those factors which promote sleep and those factors that indicate the body is "ready" to tackle a new day work out a compromise at the end of each sleep cycle as to whether to have another or be done.

    Knowing the primary cause for that complex and subtle "decision" in your brain is the key to understanding how to adjust that balance.

    So, Geoff-Allen, I should ask at this point, what is your sleep experience like? Do you fall asleep but wake up too soon? Do you have trouble falling asleep but once you do you sleep well enough? Or is it some combination of the two? Also what is the longer term pattern of your sleep night after night?
     
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  3. Landon Caeli

    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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  4. Geoff-Allen

    Geoff-Allen Resident megalomaniac

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    Thanks for all the contributors to this mind-boggling topic :)

    You asked about my pattern - the pattern is that there is NO pattern. Sometimes I function quite beautifully on 2 or 3 hours of sleep. Other times I need 10 hours - lucky I am no longer working?

    I don't obsess over the amount of sleep I get - I have been known to write poetry & philosophy & random thoughts at 3 or 4 am in the morning - sometimes I even play reversi for a couple of hours in the middle of the night -

    Play Reversi

    For those of you unfamiliar with it - it is also called Othello and it takes minutes to learn but a life-time to master ... a bit like meditation.

    Other times I enjoy being awake and just meditate a bit since there is much less visual input when the room is dark.

    Have I answered your questions?

    Cheers!

    Oh yes ... almost forgot - found this article about sleep tracker apps and wasn't even looking for anything related to sleeep. It just came up as a link when viewing another interesting page at the same site!

    9 Best Sleep Tracker Apps To Help You Get Adequate Sleep

    Enjoy!
     
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    I've got a fitbit charge, which seems to do a pretty good job of tracking and analyzing my sleep patterns
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    a note for REM

    you dream every night
    it is essential to your mental health

    if you fail....somehow
    you will be dysfunctional in just a few days

    you NEED to achieve that state of rest...even if you don't remember the dream after waking up
     
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  7. Geoff-Allen

    Geoff-Allen Resident megalomaniac

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    I dream very vivid dreams - seem more "real" than daily existence!

    I don't watch tv and yet I had a dream recently that I was fighting with Gary Zukav & his crazy family over what to watch on the telly!

    It seemed so "real" and we were almost coming to physical blows!

    Gary also rarely watches the tube. At least his 1989 book said so in the Intro.That is what made the dream so "weird" but most people would probly use that word for some of their dreams.

    Cheers!
     
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    Geoff-Allen Resident megalomaniac

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    Samana Johann no member (former tolerated guest)

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    What ever one gives, one gains and so is it that metta, goodwill, toward all being, and living a virtuous live is the medicine, not only for good seep but for avoiding sickness o any kind.

    Here the medicine to be "given": The Healing Power of the Precepts
     
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    Agree with both of these.

    Also, I think someone mentioned avoiding caffeine late in the day...agree with that too.

    But frankly - and I know this is more feasible for some than others - I have personally found that being tired is the best way to ensure a good nights sleep...when I have spent the whole day in hard physical activity - preferably outdoors - and even better if it is in physically challenging conditions (cold, wet, difficult terrain etc.) - I never have trouble going to sleep and staying asleep. When I have spent the entire day driving a desk with barely a break to stretch the limbs and bend the joints - I feel exhausted but can't sleep a wink. I think maybe overstimulation (of the brain) is important too. We used to ban TV and encourage book reading or quiet play (like with lego or jigsaw puzzles) one hour before bed time - our kids rarely had trouble sleeping after that.

    And definitely don't eat less than a couple of hours before sleeping - that's a killer - your digestive system is going full tilt and you can't sleep, then after an hour of that you can't sleep because you're worrying about not being able to sleep.

    I know there's more to it than that for some, but these are my own experiences.

    Counting sheep works for me sometimes too. Or try counting backwards from 1000.

    And if you've tried all these and none of them worked, its probably time to wake up by then anyway :D
     
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    What would you like your sleep pattern to be like?
     
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    Yes caffeine and certain herbs like ginseng keep my consciousness on even when it is supposed to be turning off.
     
  14. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I usually sleep very well, 5 hours a night totally out of it, i dont even remember dreaming.

    But i have a spell of around 4 or 5 days every few months where sleep is a longing. I tried all sorts of remedies from cocoa (gives me a migraine) to melatonin (also a migraine producer) and prescription sleeping pills (leave me feeling groggy the next day).

    What sometimes works (unfortunately not always) is either a stiff cognac or over the counter sleep aids such as nytol.
     
  15. Geoff-Allen

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    Good question - I am not stressing too much but more regularity might be a change for the better?

    It's nearly winter here in Oz so I don't see myself leaping out of bed to write or play on the computer in the middle of a cold night. This morning was sunny but chilly - took me ages to warm up and now I am sweating - never satisfied! :)

    Any more pointers - I am all ears.

    Here's somethin on the topic of sleep from way-out-of-left-field -

    What we would want you to know is that sleep patterns are going to be very different. You might find yourself sleeping many more hours than usual and having to take naps during the day, then needing very little sleep at all and having an abundance of energy.


    https://in5d.com/ascension-symptoms-sleep-and-dreams/

    Pleasant dreams everyone!
     
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    You seem like you are easy going and willing to take life as it comes at you...I just moved from a log cabin home where I enjoyed burying myself under covers at night and restarting the wood stove in the morning...

    Well it is hard to know where to start...and the trick, for me, when dealing with diet or sleep is to find a change that a person can appreciate and live with. Also which one is applicable that would give you the most return as far as moving toward a more consistent sleep pattern is not something I can guess at.

    Is there anything in your personal experience that you know in advance is going to impact for better or worse your sleep for that night?
     
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    Thanks for sharing.

    I am a LOT more easy-going than I was in younger days!

    Mellowed-out as they say ...

    I slept great blast night so maybe this thread is already working?

    I know if something stressful is on my mind it definitely affect sleep - so I do my best not to obsess or worry over things I can't control. It's a learning process.

    Where is your cabin?

    Cheers!
     
  18. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    Marijuana is not effective for sleep disorder, it can cause psychosis
     
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