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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Riders, Aug 12, 2018.

  1. Riders

    Riders Well-Known Member

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    This is fascinating. How could the church lie to us? No this is not just another Pagan Christ video.

     
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    Note there are historians here who say Jesus did not exist. Christians say every historian that has ever lived believed Jesus was a real person. This proves that wrong.
     
  3. Musing Bassist

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    No, rather it's that credible historians of relevant expertise overwhelmingly reject mythicism. It's agenda driven quackery masquerading as scholarship.
     
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    I can see you did now watch the film, probably dismissed it without regard.
     
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    Musing Bassist In Hac Lacrimarum Valle

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    If I should give it any regard (yet alone two hours of my time) then you've yet to make the case.
     
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    So reductionism is what exactly? There is very little actual mysticism in modern religion so i might say you are rather clueless as to what Exactly mysticism is even and what you do understand is identical to southern baptists. Very southern baptist of ya btw a kind of christian without jesus.... big deal wow.
     
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    ^ this ...

    ... although I would somewhat soften it by saying: It's typically agenda driven quackery masquerading as scholarship.
     
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    They do not reject it, but identify its use by the biblical authors.
     
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    That sword could cut both ways, I mean really, the New Testament in question isn't agenda driven?
     
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    I watched the first few minutes and the claims are rather extreme. When a YouTube video does this one should search the scholarly papers. One should see if there are any articles supporting their claims in well respected professional journals. If you can't they are probably wackos pushing an agenda.
     
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    I did find a Greek version of Gospel which is the good news of military and some of this can be looked up on the net.Ill get right on it.
     
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    Uh no I just researched. You are way way off base. I just ground the article in Wikipedia on Josephus Flavius and and the whole story written in wikipedia thank you. You said its extreme and something no one could ever find articles supporting their claims.

    Here the articles are Ill find more for you tomorrow if you wish. Sense you have said there's no proof and its extreme and you can't find articles,here's your words so you can eat them.

    Josephus - Wikipedia
     
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    So what you are saying is that the story about the Son of God is based on an historical figure?
     
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    Josephus was a well known historian. That does not mean that the claims of someone that supposedly studied his works are true.
     
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    Churches have their agendas and so do the naysayers. Varying arguments are going to start flying from all sides, like opening a can of worms.
     
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    That's from Wikipedia and you said I would not e able to find articles, your exact words articles to back up the video. Not only that but I also found this in Wiki and Wiki is a great source

    Christianity arose in the syncretistic Hellenistic world of the first century CE, which was dominated by Roman law and Greek culture.[1] Hellenistic culture had a profound impact on the customs and practices of Jews, both in the Land of Israel and in the Diaspora. The inroads into Judaism gave rise to Hellenistic Judaism in the Jewish diaspora which sought to establish a Hebraic-Jewish religious tradition within the culture and language of Hellenism.

    Hellenistic Judaism spread to Ptolemaic Egypt from the 3rd century BCE, and became a notable religio licita after the Roman conquest of Greece, Anatolia, Syria, Judea, and Egypt, until its decline in the 3rd century parallel to the rise of Gnosticism and Early Christianity.

    According to Burton Mack, the Christian vision of Jesus' death for the redemption of mankind was only possible in a Hellenised milieu.[note 1] According to Price, "Once it reached Hellenistic soil, the story of Jesus attracted to itself a number of mythic motifs that were common to the syncretic religious mood of the era."[note 2]

    Jewish sects[edit]
    Judaism at this time was divided into antagonistic factions. The main camps were the Pharisees, Saducees, and Zealots, but also included other less influential sects, like the Essenes. The 1st century BCE and 1st century CE saw a number of charismatic religious leaders, contributing to what would become the Mishnah of Rabbinic Judaism, including Yohanan ben Zakkai and Hanina ben Dosa. The ministry of Jesus, according to the account of the Gospels, falls into this pattern of sectarian preachers or teachers with devoted disciples (students).[citation needed]

    Although the gospels contain strong condemnations of the Pharisees, Paul the Apostle claims proudly to be a Pharisee, and there is a clear influence of Hillel's interpretation of the Torah in the Gospel-sayings.[2] Belief in the resurrection of the dead in the messianic age was a core Pharisaic doctrine.


    Here's the 3rd paragraph again

    According to Burton Mack, the Christian vision of Jesus' death for the redemption of mankind was only possible in a Hellenised milieu.[note 1] According to Price, "Once it reached Hellenistic soil, the story of Jesus attracted to itself a number of mythic motifs that were common to the syncretic religious mood of the era."[note

    See resurrection came our of the Hellina greek religion and the Jesus story is a part of a number of MYTHIC motifs.
     
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    I just went over several Historians in Wiki alone that claim the exact opposite is true. They claim there is no evidence Jesus lived. Why Christians either lie or are buying into a great lie, because there's a huge amount of historians who say its a myth.
     
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    Yes, the status quo is being scrutinized.
     
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    I never said you would not be able to find articles. I told you where you needed to find articles and you have failed at that.
     
  20. Riders

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    This is what you said.One should see if there are any articles supporting their claims in well respected professional journals. If you can't they are probably wackos pushing an agenda.

    Wiki is a well respected journal. I don't have actual access to journals on the net or ones that come to me in the mail made from paper. I get my articles off the net. If that's not good enough too bad. That's the only way I have to get access is on the internet.

    If you choose to not accept any proof accept through your preferences for magazine articles, and the person you argue with does not have access to your journals you think are good, its time to drop out of the argument, I don't have access tot he literature you want to argue.

    I do have access to videos and books though and books on videos, they are perfectly good. If you don't' accept that tough,it sounds like your trying to come up with a reason and a way that no proof will be good enough for you and really there's nothing more to say to you.

    So if you want to keep criticizing me my guest,I won't be acknowledging you.
     
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