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How should we respond to the increasing evidence the WHO was compromised by China

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
German intelligence now suggests China contacted the World Health Organization pushing that they would not immediately share information about the virus being transmittable human to human, not a pandemic, don't shut borders etc etc... downplay it as a regional problem...etc etc

German intelligence says China's Xi pressured WHO to delay global warnings about COVID-19 in January

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German media revealed that China’s president Xi Jinping in January pressured the director of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, to hold off on issuing a global warning about the coronavirus outbreak.

According to a January 21 conversation between the two, which cited intelligence from Germany’s federal intelligence service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Xi urged the WHO chief to “delay a global warning” about the pandemic and hold back information on human-to-human transmission of the virus, which the BND estimated resulted in a delay of 4 to 6 weeks.
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Really? “delay a global warning”? Really?

No apologies from China?
No apologies from the World Health Organization?

How to move forward?
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
Science and its history of studies and experiments.

If a human were to address the basis of understanding how science experimentation owns non applied ethical science sharing of information, and types of studies amongst a multi organized science study world group and theme....atmosphere and healing.

Then it is a shared world community responsibility to actually ascertain by fact why these types of experiments even exist.

For all wrongs cause assessments and learning to be applied as human reasoning.

And then as a world community outlaw what is not ethical...to change environmental natural history.

Rationally, life on Earth in medical definition owns historically ever available remedies for any human suffering by a higher irradiated living body, the Garden nature.

Why it is a pharmacopeia of substantiated healing remedies, that irrational chemical medicines cannot replicate.

The Garden Nature is the Tree of Life in variations to its presence. Oxygen regeneration and also all healing bodies. What was a medical natural science teaching, balances in our Nature. Medical science has lost its spirituality, actually.

Medical science became operational only due to occult radiation sciences having attacked us. And then developed further into alleviating human suffering in medical procedures as its owned history of reasoning.

Radiation itself causes cell weakness to occur originally in water bodies....and then radiation itself balances out in space by various conditions of pressurized returned gases. That came back by asteroid travel. Natural radiating history owns natural cell presence and cell health support. First.

Radiation is actually a used medical condition to remove damaged cells. Proving that it does it in Nature also.

Nature always owned the balances, and always will own the balances and it is about time that science chooses to accept that condition.

If humans do not come to a conclusive self support of its Nature living on One only planet, then it never is going to. Hence trying to ascertain personal blame today is a very incorrect model to follow.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
German intelligence now suggests China contacted the World Health Organization pushing that they would not immediately share information about the virus being transmittable human to human, not a pandemic, don't shut borders etc etc... downplay it as a regional problem...etc etc

German intelligence says China's Xi pressured WHO to delay global warnings about COVID-19 in January

quote
German media revealed that China’s president Xi Jinping in January pressured the director of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, to hold off on issuing a global warning about the coronavirus outbreak.

According to a January 21 conversation between the two, which cited intelligence from Germany’s federal intelligence service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Xi urged the WHO chief to “delay a global warning” about the pandemic and hold back information on human-to-human transmission of the virus, which the BND estimated resulted in a delay of 4 to 6 weeks.
unquote

Really? “delay a global warning”? Really?

No apologies from China?
No apologies from the World Health Organization?

How to move forward?
It is time we expose more of the evil within CCP/China governmental action because they are up to no good.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
German intelligence now suggests China contacted the World Health Organization pushing that they would not immediately share information about the virus being transmittable human to human, not a pandemic, don't shut borders etc etc... downplay it as a regional problem...etc etc

German intelligence says China's Xi pressured WHO to delay global warnings about COVID-19 in January

quote
German media revealed that China’s president Xi Jinping in January pressured the director of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, to hold off on issuing a global warning about the coronavirus outbreak.

According to a January 21 conversation between the two, which cited intelligence from Germany’s federal intelligence service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Xi urged the WHO chief to “delay a global warning” about the pandemic and hold back information on human-to-human transmission of the virus, which the BND estimated resulted in a delay of 4 to 6 weeks.
unquote

Really? “delay a global warning”? Really?

No apologies from China?
No apologies from the World Health Organization?

How to move forward?

There is no hard evidence the WHO deliberately withheld vital information.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
It is time we expose more of the evil within CCP/China governmental action because they are up to no good.

And what evidence do you have of this.
And what do words like "evil, expose, action and no good" mean in this context.

Words like "prejudiced, fake news and propaganda" seem to be more applicable to your post.
Than "reason, evidence and good will."
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
And what evidence do you have of this.
And what do words like "evil, expose, action and no good" mean in this context.

Words like "prejudiced, fake news and propaganda" seem to be more applicable to your post.
Than "reason, evidence and good will."
As you maybe have seen in some of my other posts in the past, Falun Gong practitioners are being harassed, tortured, kill and put in prison for what we have faith in, this is the first reason why I say CCP is evil this persecution started back in 1995 and are still ongoing.
Second is that China or CCP is trying to remove any trace of religious practice not only in China but in all the world.
Evil deeds in this context are that CCP doing everything in their power to take away what is Good in the world and implement Communism thoughts in countries that are not Communistic.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
As you maybe have seen in some of my other posts in the past, Falun Gong practitioners are being harassed, tortured, kill and put in prison for what we have faith in, this is the first reason why I say CCP is evil this persecution started back in 1995 and are still ongoing.
Second is that China or CCP is trying to remove any trace of religious practice not only in China but in all the world.
Evil deeds in this context are that CCP doing everything in their power to take away what is Good in the world and implement Communism thoughts in countries that are not Communistic.


On the face of it Falun Gong appears harmless. However there is no doubt that it sees itself as running counter to the Established Chinese authorities.. it has literally millions of followers. It has no visible controllable structure.

extract.....
"Kavan draws a comparison between Falun Gong and Maoism, writing that “like Mao, Li has activated millions of people with his rhetoric. His ideology is similarly characterized by moral superiority, defining others as absolute evil, dehumanizing enemies by labeling them snake spirits and possessed by ghosts, extolling the virtues of selflessness and sacrifice, emphasizing the necessity of enduring physical hardship, harassing critics, and denigrating science in favor of his purportedly infallible truths.” "

And.....

"On July 20, 1999, security forces swooped, detaining several thousand leading Falun Gong practitioners. Days later the group was made illegal for “advocating superstition, spreading fallacies, hoodwinking people, inciting and creating disturbances, and jeopardizing social stability.”

Since the crackdown began, hundreds of thousands of practitioners have been arrested and detained. Researcher Ethan Gutmann estimated that at least 15 percent of the population incarcerated in labor camps for the purpose of “re-education” is made up of Falun Gong practitioners. These findings are supported by the US State Department. According to human rights groups, detainees have been subjected to forced labor, torture, arbitrary execution and organ harvesting. In 2009, The New York Times reported that “at least 2,000” people had been killed since the crackdown began."

I would suggest that the Chines leadership sees Li as a challenge to their authority, that can not be permitted. As such they have lumped his followers in with all other dissident groups scheduled for elimination.

From a western Perspective this is a basic human right issue. To them it is a national order issue.

However, and that is a big However. China is not a Western country. Nor has it ever subscribed to western ideas of the governance of its people. from time immemorial it has been an authoritarian society, based on submission to long term planning, and an orderly society run by administrators appointed on merit.

It is at the moment passing though the stage of change from " Traditional Communism" to a Hybrid one of a state Communist control and a commercial-industrial and financial neo-capitalist working structure.
It has a similar aim to many western countries... "China First" even at the personal cost to the individual.
Not unlike Trump's America First.

No one in China is above the state, or the perceived good of the country. From the poorest to the richest and most powerful, all are subject to the might of the state. All can be removed from their positions and possibly executed, if they obstruct or act against the bests interests and laws of the Chinese people.

The present Communist neo-Capitalist structure has made Chine the fastest growing, and in real terms wealthiest country in the world ( it has no Debts) While change is always inevitable, this is unlikely to cause it to follow the Western socio-economic path any time soon. or to embrace western concepts of democracy or human rights.

While China has always defended itself and its friends it has never looked outside its traditional borders for further conquests. In a majority of cases it has been a defender or reclaimer of territory rather than an conqueror. At the present time its claim on the south china sea would seem to be pushing that concept to an extreme, while it is undoubtedly an area of a national sphere of interest and concern. As time goes on it will undoubtedly try to establish control over all its ancient territories such as Formosa.

In the light of all these things it is up to the west to decide how best to establish a working relationship with China. China is already seen as a more important and valuable long term trading partner to many Western countries, than is the USA. On the other hand the USA is forcing the hand of many countries to make "Permanent " choices. by "banning" certain Chinese products, companies and services.
This has largely backfired, by giving the opportunity for such companies to develop their own competing technologies and partnerships. to the direct cost of their previous suppliers and customers.
Over recent years China has grown faster than any western country. it is the leader in many new technologies it is the sole supplier of many vital rare earth materials.
The inconsistency and unreliability of Trumps commercial decisions and bans, have forced many countries to look to China for long term partnerships. it is clearly no longer safe to put all ones eggs in the American basket.

China's official attitude to religion seems to be to accept that religion is necessary to many people's world view. but to discourage new religious movements or ones that interfere in the purposes of the state.
It seem Christianity is one of the fastest growing religions and the old "Denominations" seem to be officially recognised. Those that compete with the loyalty to the state are suppressed. It also seem that Islam is deeply mistrusted, for much the same reason.

When discussing China it is meaningless to do so with the mindset of either a right wing or liberal westerner. They share no relationship to either of those philosophies.
China is entirely Pragmatic and single minded toward its people and its future.
If you want them to accept your view on a human rights issue, you must first demonstrate that it is in the best interest of their country to do so. not on its perceived moral value. ( if you want them to support better working conditions, you need to show them what the advantages of doing so are) ( they have accepted a modified form of the capitalist business model, because it works to their advantage.)
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
How to move forward?

Here ya go

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Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
On the face of it Falun Gong appears harmless. However there is no doubt that it sees itself as running counter to the Established Chinese authorities.. it has literally millions of followers. It has no visible controllable structure.

extract.....
"Kavan draws a comparison between Falun Gong and Maoism, writing that “like Mao, Li has activated millions of people with his rhetoric. His ideology is similarly characterized by moral superiority, defining others as absolute evil, dehumanizing enemies by labeling them snake spirits and possessed by ghosts, extolling the virtues of selflessness and sacrifice, emphasizing the necessity of enduring physical hardship, harassing critics, and denigrating science in favor of his purportedly infallible truths.” "

And.....

"On July 20, 1999, security forces swooped, detaining several thousand leading Falun Gong practitioners. Days later the group was made illegal for “advocating superstition, spreading fallacies, hoodwinking people, inciting and creating disturbances, and jeopardizing social stability.”

Since the crackdown began, hundreds of thousands of practitioners have been arrested and detained. Researcher Ethan Gutmann estimated that at least 15 percent of the population incarcerated in labor camps for the purpose of “re-education” is made up of Falun Gong practitioners. These findings are supported by the US State Department. According to human rights groups, detainees have been subjected to forced labor, torture, arbitrary execution and organ harvesting. In 2009, The New York Times reported that “at least 2,000” people had been killed since the crackdown began."

I would suggest that the Chines leadership sees Li as a challenge to their authority, that can not be permitted. As such they have lumped his followers in with all other dissident groups scheduled for elimination.

From a western Perspective this is a basic human right issue. To them it is a national order issue.

However, and that is a big However. China is not a Western country. Nor has it ever subscribed to western ideas of the governance of its people. from time immemorial it has been an authoritarian society, based on submission to long term planning, and an orderly society run by administrators appointed on merit.

It is at the moment passing though the stage of change from " Traditional Communism" to a Hybrid one of a state Communist control and a commercial-industrial and financial neo-capitalist working structure.
It has a similar aim to many western countries... "China First" even at the personal cost to the individual.
Not unlike Trump's America First.

No one in China is above the state, or the perceived good of the country. From the poorest to the richest and most powerful, all are subject to the might of the state. All can be removed from their positions and possibly executed, if they obstruct or act against the bests interests and laws of the Chinese people.

The present Communist neo-Capitalist structure has made Chine the fastest growing, and in real terms wealthiest country in the world ( it has no Debts) While change is always inevitable, this is unlikely to cause it to follow the Western socio-economic path any time soon. or to embrace western concepts of democracy or human rights.

While China has always defended itself and its friends it has never looked outside its traditional borders for further conquests. In a majority of cases it has been a defender or reclaimer of territory rather than an conqueror. At the present time its claim on the south china sea would seem to be pushing that concept to an extreme, while it is undoubtedly an area of a national sphere of interest and concern. As time goes on it will undoubtedly try to establish control over all its ancient territories such as Formosa.

In the light of all these things it is up to the west to decide how best to establish a working relationship with China. China is already seen as a more important and valuable long term trading partner to many Western countries, than is the USA. On the other hand the USA is forcing the hand of many countries to make "Permanent " choices. by "banning" certain Chinese products, companies and services.
This has largely backfired, by giving the opportunity for such companies to develop their own competing technologies and partnerships. to the direct cost of their previous suppliers and customers.
Over recent years China has grown faster than any western country. it is the leader in many new technologies it is the sole supplier of many vital rare earth materials.
The inconsistency and unreliability of Trumps commercial decisions and bans, have forced many countries to look to China for long term partnerships. it is clearly no longer safe to put all ones eggs in the American basket.

China's official attitude to religion seems to be to accept that religion is necessary to many people's world view. but to discourage new religious movements or ones that interfere in the purposes of the state.
It seem Christianity is one of the fastest growing religions and the old "Denominations" seem to be officially recognised. Those that compete with the loyalty to the state are suppressed. It also seem that Islam is deeply mistrusted, for much the same reason.

When discussing China it is meaningless to do so with the mindset of either a right wing or liberal westerner. They share no relationship to either of those philosophies.
China is entirely Pragmatic and single minded toward its people and its future.
If you want them to accept your view on a human rights issue, you must first demonstrate that it is in the best interest of their country to do so. not on its perceived moral value. ( if you want them to support better working conditions, you need to show them what the advantages of doing so are) ( they have accepted a modified form of the capitalist business model, because it works to their advantage.)
Yes, CCP has seen Falun Gong as a treat toward communism. Because now there are more falun gong practitioners in China the members of CCP. And there evil acts are exposed now.

Falun Gong is not political and all we ask for is that our follow practitioners can be free to practice openly in China to, without being torturen, killed or gutt in any way.
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
German intelligence now suggests China contacted the World Health Organization pushing that they would not immediately share information about the virus being transmittable human to human, not a pandemic, don't shut borders etc etc... downplay it as a regional problem...etc etc
Well the first step would be to gather actual primary evidence rather than unsourced tabloid claims and politically motivated speculation.

Don't get me wrong, I've absolutely no doubt that the Chinese governments might try to do this (though I've no doubt lots of other governments in a similar situation might too) but just flinging out unsupported claims and accusations will only result in pointless political back-and-forth that achieves nothing other than build more division, hate and conflict.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Well the first step would be to gather actual primary evidence rather than unsourced tabloid claims and politically motivated speculation.

Don't get me wrong, I've absolutely no doubt that the Chinese governments might try to do this (though I've no doubt lots of other governments in a similar situation might too) but just flinging out unsupported claims and accusations will only result in pointless political back-and-forth that achieves nothing other than build more division, hate and conflict.

Having an ongoing research project on corona bat virus, and in the midst of their own health crisis, I find the claim difficult to believe they really believed there was no human to human transmisison.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Yes, it should not be tabloid, but this referenced German intelligence.

Having an ongoing research project on corona bat virus, and in the midst of their own health crisis, I find the claim difficult to believe they really believed there was no human to human transmisison.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
As you maybe have seen in some of my other posts in the past, Falun Gong practitioners are being harassed, tortured, kill and put in prison for what we have faith in, this is the first reason why I say CCP is evil this persecution started back in 1995 and are still ongoing.
Second is that China or CCP is trying to remove any trace of religious practice not only in China but in all the world.
Evil deeds in this context are that CCP doing everything in their power to take away what is Good in the world and implement Communism thoughts in countries that are not Communistic.
... which, while tragic, has nothing to do with the WHO
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
Yes, it should not be tabloid, but this referenced German intelligence.
It has been anonymously claimed to be in a German intelligence report but the primary evidence is not available. Tabloids can (and do) alleged literally anything they want on that basis. They rarely even try to support their assertions.

Having an ongoing research project on corona bat virus, and in the midst of their own health crisis, I find the claim difficult to believe they really believed there was no human to human transmisison.
Your (and my) belief isn't evidence. If you want to alleged specific wrong-doing (even criminality), you need to provide more specific detail and some actual evidence. That applies regardless of who you're accusing.
 
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