How responsible is God for Satan's actions?

[Shadow Wolf]

Are you responsible for your children's actions after they become an adult?

To a fairly good extent, yes. How we parent shapes our children into adults. Parent well, and it's likely your kids will grow into good adults. Parent poorly, however, and your kids probably aren't going to be well adjusted adults. Legally, the parent wouldn't be held responsible, but if their kids blame them for their issues they might be right to do so.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

All because there are times when God chooses not to know beforehand.

That means god is not omniscient, and can be destructively careless.

 

[Faithofchristian]

That means god is not omniscient, and can be destructively careless.

Nope, that means, that God can choose not to know beforehand, doesn't mean God isn't omniscient, it just means God can choose not to know.

That's typical of some people that has to have someone or something, to blame for their actions. Which is nothing more than a cop out for not wanting to take Responsibility of their own Actions.

If I do something wrong, that's my fault. That's also called taking Responsibility for your own Actions.

 

[Enoch07]

To a fairly good extent, yes. How we parent shapes our children into adults. Parent well, and it's likely your kids will grow into good adults. Parent poorly, however, and your kids probably aren't going to be well adjusted adults. Legally, the parent wouldn't be held responsible, but if their kids blame them for their issues they might be right to do so.

Strictly speaking of humans you have a point. Abusive parents should be held accountable for abuse. But,

Legally, the parent wouldn't be held responsible

At the end of the day this is all that matters. Because everyone is ultimately responsible for their own decisions.

I actually know someone serving a life sentence for double homicide (he executed his ex-gf and her new bf). During his hearing he claimed that reason he was so violent is because of his abusive father. The court did not care and held him accountable giving him 2 life sentences to be served back to back.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

At the end of the day this is all that matters. Because everyone is ultimately responsible for their own decisions.

That's a rather poor way of looking at it because we influence and impact those around us. Often enough our own actions cause someone to do or not to do something. We have a long ways to go in regards to fully accepting responsibility for our actions--including how they influence the behaviors and actions of others--rather than trying to brush it off like what we did had no effect or bearing on what someone else did.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Nope, that means, that God can choose not to know beforehand, doesn't mean God isn't omniscient, it just means God can choose not to know.

Either god knows all things and is omniscient, or he does not know all things and isn't. He can't both know all things and not know all things.

 

[Enoch07]

That's a rather poor way of looking at it because we influence and impact those around us. Often enough our own actions cause someone to do or not to do something. We have a long ways to go in regards to fully accepting responsibility for our actions--including how they influence the behaviors and actions of others--rather than trying to brush it off like what we did had no effect or bearing on what someone else did.

The law doesn't see it this way. About the only excuse is when someone forces you to so something against your will, by threat of bodily harm or so.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Either god knows all things and is omniscient, or he does not know all things and isn't. He can't both know all things and not know all things.

That's where your absolutely wrong at, God can be all things.
For all things are possible with God.

As for humans, we are limited in our way of thinking. That's why he is God, there is no limit as to what God can do.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

God can be all things.

Can god be a sinner and saint? Angel and devil?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Let's say the Bible is true.

There's your first problem, at least the supernatural/revelation stuff.

How responsible is God for Satan's actions?

God, if It exists, doesn't interact in the universe, and Satan doesn't exist except as a symbol in people's hearts for temptation to do wrong.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The law doesn't see it this way.

We aren't talking about the law, and according to the Bible god isn't much concerned about our human laws either.

 

[Faux Goat]

God is absolutely responsible for Satan's actions, and for all of our actions as well. And at the same time, Satan is responsible for his own actions and we are responsible for ours. Free will and predestination are both true.

How is this possible? In the same way that quantum physics and classical physics can seamlessly coexist, that light can have both a particle and a wave nature, that causes and effects can be deterministic at the macro level and yet probabilistic at the micro level... Merely regarding the natural world, the scientist J.B.S. Haldane said, "The Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose." How much more, then, the Creator of the whole of nature?

 

[ChristineM]

You are if you had complete knowledge of what they would do, no?

Omniscient?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Can god be a sinner and saint? Angel and devil?

Now your getting ridiculous.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Now your getting ridiculous.

It is you who said god can be all things. I only asked a question.

 

[Prestor John]

Let's say the Bible is true.

If a father lets a Serpent into the room with his children, knowing in advance what the serpent will do to them, isn't the father just as responsible as the serpent, especially if you consider the fact that the father made the serpent knowing what the serpent would do?

You understand that Satan is not an actual "serpent", but is himself a spirit child of God?

How dare a father allow one of his children to enter into a room with his other children.

Doesn't he know that he should judge his children more severely and segregate them by those who are "bad" and those who are "good"?

Even though the Father produced a son like Satan, He also produced a son like Jesus Christ.

So...doesn't that just prove that our Father is willing to let us choose how we wish to live our lives?

How dare He!

 

[Faithofchristian]

It is you who said god can be all things. I only asked a question.

And I answered you, being ridiculous

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And I answered you, being ridiculous

So you give a position, and someone who questions/challenges that position is ridiculous? You said god can be everything. So why cannot god be both sinner and saint? If he can be everything, this should be a sinch to him.

 

[Faithofchristian]

So you give a position, and someone who questions/challenges that position is ridiculous? You said god can be everything. So why cannot god be both sinner and saint? If he can be everything, this should be a sinch to him.

Like I said, your to ridiculous, to even suggest such a thing, you just show your ignorance, of not knowing who God is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Like I said, your to ridiculous, to even suggest such a thing, you just show your ignorance, of not knowing who God is.

I think you are showing your ignorance to say "god can be all things," and then back out of it by claiming someone is being ridiculous when that claim is put under scrutiny.