As usual we have science versus religion, so I will derail and use skepticism on both in regards to knowledge.
When doing an understanding of another human's words I have learned to look for presumptions. What is it that all of you take for granted (the presumption) without checking it?
You all take for granted that we are all there. But that is not certain. It is the core assumption of objective reality no matter, what else you believe objective reality is, that objective reality is there and that it is fair. I.e. you can in general trust your experience.
That is the basis for knowledge, but in practice it is not that simple.
In this case google will do: Reality - the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.
So here is the joke about reality. Where does an idealistic or notional idea of them actually exist? I mean, people using this definition of reality are in fact talking about "an idealistic or notional idea of them". So they must be talking about something, right? And it seems they are not talking about nothing, rather they assume that ideas exist, because they are talking about one of them.
So here is the problem in western culture for the notion of reality. There is something which is not a part of reality, yet we talk about if as it is real and exist: "An idealistic or notional idea of them" must exist and be real for us to talk about it, right? The words don't magically cause the existence of "An idealistic or notional idea of them", rather the words are about something. So that something must exist and be real, otherwise we couldn't talk about it.
No culture is without a myth about what reality is and that includes western culture. That is the core myth and it is a myth, because it doesn't work in practice.
Someone says: Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.
And I answer: No.
That is it. I believe in another version of reality and I can get away with it, because the evidence for it, is that some people over time keep answering me. So though I have the wrong understanding of reality, other people in reality keep communicating with me.
In a historical context, it is philosophy. When we debate all of this, what we have in common, is that we in fact debate how words work. We all use words and we all take for granted that they are about something. We just disagree about what that something really is. It is the natural world versus from God or whatever, yet we can all get away with disagreeing.
So the tentative answer I have for explaining this, is cognitive relativism and this in particular:
No standpoint is metaphysically privileged over all others.
https://www.iep.utm.edu/cog-rel/#H3
Neither the atheists nor the religious side can win, because both sides are still there.
As for the word science, here is what I believe about that word.
Science doesn't draw conclusions about supernatural explanations
Science has limits: A few things that science does not do
So here is one way to understand what this is about: It is about Knowledge. I.e. I Know what Reality Really is.
But since I am a skeptic for now 20 years, I have observed the following: Though I don't Know, I am still here.
It works fine for me to believe and not believe that I need Knowledge about what Reality Really is.
With regards
