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Featured How Islam as a whole commits Blasphemy

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by stvdv, Sep 6, 2020.

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  1. 01) Islam has no right to impose their Blasphemy definitions on the West

  2. 02) Islam has the right to impose their Blasphemy definitions on the West

  3. 03) The West has a duty to protect their Religion and Blasphemy definition

  4. 04) The West has no duty to protect their Religion and Blasphemy definition

  5. 05) Macron's statement "Freedom to Blaspheme" was needed given Islam imposing on the West

  6. 06) Macron's statement "Freedom to Blaspheme" was not needed given Islam imposing on the West

  7. 07) Good statement would be "Freedom to define Blasphemy within your own culture/(non)Faith"

  8. 08) Freedom of (non) Faith is very important and should be protected internationally

  9. 09) Islam Blasphemy definition is meant ONLY for Muslims according to Islam

  10. 10) Islam Blasphemy definition is meant for ALL humans according to Islam

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  1. stvdv

    stvdv Well-Known Member

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    How Islam as a whole commits Blasphemy (if they impose their definition on non Muslims)

    Why they do commit Blasphemy is easy to understand:
    1) We have Freedom of Religion, that means all are Free to choose the Religion they want
    2) This Freedom also means that you are Free to define God, how you feel/believe
    3) Therefore Blasphemy definition applies to members of the same (non)Faith
    4) Blasphemy definition can/should never be imposed on other (non)Faith

    Islam has their definition of Blasphemy, and that is fine, that is their right according to Freedom of Religion
    The moment they make their definition an international definition, they commit the act of Blasphemy
    Telling the West that they commit Blasphemy when drawing Muhammad = Blasphemy itself

     
  2. Amanaki

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    I am far from well versed in the quran, but i found this.
    The Quran says:

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    "Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides Allah,
    lest they out of spite revile Allah in their ignorance.
    Thus We have made alluring to each people its own doings.
    In the end will they return to their Lord,
    and We shall then tell them the truth of all that they did. [6:108]

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    "O ye who believe! Let not some men among you ridicule others:
    It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former):
    Nor let some women ridicule others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former):
    Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames:
    Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed:
    And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong. [49:11]

    [​IMG]
    "Those who avoid the greater crimes and shameful deeds, and, when they are angry even then forgive;" [42:37]

    So if someone insult or make blasphemy comments, maybe a good muslim should not even react to it at all.
     
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    Those were the verses I was looking for awhile back when there was another discussion going on about fundamentalist and/or radical Islam!
     
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  4. Amanaki

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    I think they answer the critique very well. But also show that, yes many muslims do wrong in the case of Blasphemy
     
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  5. stvdv

    stvdv Well-Known Member

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    IMO: Blasphemy counts only as blasphemy within the community (religion/faith/non-faith). So a non-Muslim can not even blaspheme according to Koran, because he does not (need) live according to Koran. He lives according to his (non)faith

    I googled and saw this article. Some interesting thoughts on Islam. It also shows that a large number of Muslims do not live according to Islam, as shown by the false (anti Islamic) ruling in Indonesia (country of many Muslims), but instead follow (or have to follow) the leaders interpretation of Islam. Which is a really bad thing, assuming Freedom of Religion is an important right.
    This is what the Quran actually says about blasphemy
     
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    It is most important to follow our conscience, because you are right, many Muslims follow the wrong Imaams (as shown in previous article)
     
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    Eh... Any religion that incorporates blasphemy concepts is immediately suspect in my eyes. There really is no positive reason to include it, and only serves to control. Blasphemy laws are nefarious.
     
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    stvdv Well-Known Member

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    You need not to be well versed, to understand the "clear" verses in the Koran, as explained in verse:
     
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    I agree. Blasphemy laws are used to control and coerce, and effectively imprison entire nations in obligatory religion. They are the institutionalisation of intolerance and mind control.
     
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    The controll in Islam is mostly to the person it self, to refrain from doing wrongdoings according to the teaching. And since a muslim should not draw Allah or Muhammad it can maybe be seen as rude or Blasphemy if othets do it to make fun of Isla m. But as you see in the verse i qouted in earlier post, to get angry is not the correct way to respond to Blasphemy, personally i failed that my self a few days ago in RF, i let my anger rise. And made foolish comments my self.
     
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    To me, self control is important. That control should come from within, though; not at the hands of others. Never at the hands of others. Someone not fitting in should never be subject to scrutiny because of their religion.

    So? Someone can curse me up and down, and call me things lower than a dog. He can shame me, and shame all I know and love. At the end of the say, they are only words though. I can rise above knowing that in the end, they disappear into nothing- not even a memory.

    Can you remember when someone cursed at you 5 years ago? Me neither.

    Punishing someone for doing this is totally not excusable. It's a victimless crime.

    That's good. Honest introspection shows growth and progress, and one should always work to better themselves. :)

    Unfortunately, what would you say to those places where blasphemy laws become laws that govern over people? There are plenty of places all over the world where comitting blasphemy can get you publicly beaten, or even executed.

    Can you name one single time where singling someone out for blasphemy was a good thing?
     
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    No i can not say Blasphemy is good any time at all :)
     
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    The question was ...

    It should be a concern to you that you need to twist it to avoid the meaning.
     
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    These are 2 of my favorite Koran verses:
     
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    Only OP starter can answer that :)
     
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    I can explain that very easy and in an easy to understand way:

    The value of this thread is to open up a conversation about an issue that is quite hot nowadays; releasing tension by not suppressing it
    Furthermore the world becomes more and more a mixed community with different faiths, it's important to understand and respect each other's faiths

    The intent of this thread is to do just that

    Similar:
    Everyone is free to follow Islam-Blasphemy rules, BUT also free to not follow them; follow their own instead
    The same as that everyone is free to reply to this thread, BUT also free to ignore if it seems useless
     
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    I was working on that, while you posted. So, I have already done that. I am curious what you think of that reply.
     
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    I think your answer is good :) i guess i have been judgmental toward those who ask critiqual questions, so i done wrong too
     
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    I see ... it was merely therapeutic. Very nice.

    Furthermore, when we note that Islam is the religion of roughly 1.8 billion adherents spanning multiple denominations and multiple countries and multiple ethnicities and then see a thread titled "How Islam as a whole ...," we should pretend this to be something other than blatantly self-evident bigotry.

    I will grant you this much, it is very easy to understand.
     
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