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Featured How faith alone changes the word of God

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by actsfourthirty, Jun 12, 2021.

  1. actsfourthirty

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    thanks for sharing
    I guess you’re and atheist?
    Did you know you’re a Protestant?
    The two children of the Protestant revolt are
    Fundamentalism: faith without reason
    Atheism: reason without faith
    Modern enlightenment atheism I refer to
    The problem is fallen human nature
    Reason is fallen and fallible requiring divine revelation
     
  2. actsfourthirty

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    please tell me you’re insight on this


    Science proves man is a hybrid, and the existence of a spiritual reality, and logic proves there must be a creator!

    According to the scientific law of change, man is a hybrid body and soul, or person, the law of change being applied, the body changes all through life, but the person does not change, you are always the same person, so man must be a hybrid!

    Your body is physical and sense perceptible, or known by the senses.
    What is the origin of your body, it is according to science the result of natural conception of your parents!

    Your person is not physical, not sense perceptible, therefore not physical, so there must be some non-physical reality, or spiritual reality!
    A supernatural reality!

    What is the origin of your person, it is not physical so it does not result from physical natural conception, at one time you did not exist, now you do exist, the only logical conclusion is that you were created, so there must be a creator!
     
  3. actsfourthirty

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    have you put on Christ or died with Christ?
     
  4. actsfourthirty

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    really?

    please explain
     
  5. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

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    Simple, please post the verses where in the Bible it says ' faith alone ' It is Not there in the Bible.
    What is in the Bible is what Jesus said at Matthew 24:13 .
    What is in the Bible is what is recorded at 1 Corinthians 10:12.
     
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    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    It does? How? Science just says we are animals and we run off instinct, biological functioning, and neurons firing in the brain that we think are actual thoughts.

    How did the creator come in?

    Can you explain how logic plays in a creator without assuming there is one?

    Where does science say we have a soul? The closest science gets to that is it's a product of the mind, our perceptions, experiences, and feelings.

    The body changes just as the earth and other natural and biological "products" of the universe. We are born, live, age, and die.

    How did you get supernatural reality?

    I don't believe that's anywhere in science. Maybe Neurotheology | Columbia University Press that uses science to explain spiritual experiences from the brain.

    Not sure how you got this.

    What does science have to do with it?
     
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    Jeremiah Ames Well-Known Member

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    i wonder if a fact can be false?

    i then wonder if a truth cannot be false?
     
  8. John1.12

    John1.12 Free gift

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    There's too many errors here to cope with.
    But let's look at the last one , because it should clear up the rest . The word ' salvation ' is referring to Rom 8.23 . Which i.ll hazard a guess you will have no clue what its referring to .
     
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    No . Eph 1.13 . 1 cor 1.21
     
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    John1.12 Free gift

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    " Faith alone " ? What do you mean by that?
     
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    Depends on your definition of "truth," I suppose: objective, ontological, vs overwhelmingly evidenced.
    All scientific facts are provisional, however well evidenced.
     
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    Humans bodily present first choose science.

    His story science group looks back to theory. To own the cause new reaction.

    Says group men brothers were same DNA.

    We apply reaction. Reaction does not exist.

    We do + cross first addition. React. Reaction equals minus one removes holy Cross. Our addition. He never owned form though.

    Holy Cross never first existed addition in maths to remove form. Lied.

    Was lying the scientist.

    Cannot do earth science a reaction unless a man with men as science and brothers.

    Reaction changes nature. Said so.

    Garden by stone laws burns bushes on ground.

    Garden body oxygenator in water begins as life support human to evict as it's burns.

    Brother awAre medical genesis DNA same exact man. As his DNA changes his brothers DNA changes in a God conversion reaction.

    Seen.
    Recorded by AI feedback.
    Visions....memories thesis science.

    Watches as his DNA was destroyed by God reactions

    The result the end began his story to teach. So he owns the answer first to preach his Inheritance.

    So you say when I began the reaction suddenly my rib I owned bodily disappeared. As man theist scientist sacrificed by God stone.

    Total advice why brothers separated separetly into new DNA bodies.

    Theme. If I applied reaction again. Big mass I used was the same to react.... the exact same result change to DNA would occur yet it would own new names as I attacked removed what I owned left from previous attack once again.

    Slowly science is bodily removing his man presence by occult reaction cause.

    Memory of any man in science today. I was slowly removed over a long period of time as a man.

    Thesis today human mutation was once a healthy human compared to what I have left living healthy as DNA.

    Advice. Says so. Tells everyone mutated humans gone sacrificed out of DNA. Does not even listen.

    Yet you aren't God the reaction that disappeared wholly. Science discusses God. Man theist theory to disappear wholly myself. Uses God reaction to try to own self removal as the theist.

    Man says I said just stone gases with no sun metal returned as stone and saved heavens. Saviour of life owning no sun radiation as mass. Gas owns the least radiation presence.

    As those gases did not penetrate the stone to not own sin holes in earth. Science sees God the stone and it has holes. Science identified stone was never replaced. As it owned holes.

    They knew. Reason to protest bible.

    Ignored.

    Science is blatantly our destroyer so they try to coerce by stories. Word coercer the sophist scientist.

    Bible blamed God. The blame was man the scientist.
     
  13. actsfourthirty

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    calm down
    Thanks for sharing
    Science proves the physical body changes
    Science proves the person (soul) but I don’t use religious terms does not change
    That’s all science has to say
    It is limited to the known physical universe

    you are a hybrid
    You’re body is the result of natural conception
    What is the origin of you’re person????

    you are not an animal with only instincts
    But an intellect and a will
    Example:
    A hungry healthy dog cannot refuse to eat, he will eat every time cod all he has is animal instincts
    But you can think about many reasons not to eat, and choose not to!
     
  14. actsfourthirty

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    That’s the problem with atheism is based on human reason and man has a fallen human nature
    Need divine revelation and wisdom
     
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    I'm honestly not sure what you're getting at?

    We're a hybrid body, but with religious terms like soul isn't related in that sense to the physical workings of the body.

    How do you define a person (soul); and, if that word is another word for a person/a biological living being, whats the significance of using that word?
     
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    thanks for sharing your insights

    maybe this will help Cos I think a lot of people confuse these terms

    Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

    Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
    Galatians 2:16 3:13
    Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
    Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

    Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
    For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


    Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
    All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

    Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
    Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
    Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
    Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

    Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

    Romans 8:17
    And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

    2 Timothy 2:12
    If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:




    1 Pet 3:20
    Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

    21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
    (Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
    (Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
    The holy church is the ark of grace and salvation!

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    Faith is part of works!

    Works is defined as something we choose to do, volition!

    Faith is also works because you have to choose to believe! Jn 1:12 Jn 3:16 rom 10:9

    And continue to believe, a perpetual state of believing. Matt 24:13 Jn 15:1-5


    In grace works have merit

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    Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    All are redeemed

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    Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

    10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

    12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

    14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

    15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

    16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

    17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
     
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    promise

    The promise (sacred oath or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27 Also a mystery
    Mk 4:11 Eph 5:32 eph 6:19 1 Tim 3:9 3:16 Col 1:27 2:2 4:3

    faith yes
    Faith and baptism (sacrament)

    Faith alone no! 1 cor 13:3

    now do you believe Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38???
     
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    I don’t know it’s not my faith
    It’s one the Solas
     
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    Like Bible alone as opposed to the scripture and tradition or the teaching authority of the apostles acts 2:42
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    And on top of that, the Bible did not choose itself as the canon of the Bible was written and then selected by the Church itself.
     
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