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Featured How faith alone changes the word of God

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by actsfourthirty, Jun 12, 2021.

  1. actsfourthirty

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    thanks for sharing

    Faith yes
    Faith and sacraments yes
    “Faith alone” no

    This is my belief

    Sacraments instituted by Christ for the salvation of souls!

    Not by “faith alone”
    “Faith alone” not biblical
    “Faith alone” never given in prophesy in the OT.
    You may think “Accept Jesus Christ as you personal Lord and savior” is biblical but there is no such verse in your bible!

    Faith and the sacraments in the church founded by the authority Christ on Peter and the apostles is biblical!

    Faith and baptism is the biblical initiation into the new covenant and member is Christ and His holy church!
    Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

    Merits of christ’s passion, death, and precious blood are applied in the sacraments! Jn 1:16

    Colossians 1:20
    And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

    Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    Acts 22:16
    And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

    Rom 3:24
    Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

    Heb 10:22
    Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

    Acts 2:47
    Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

    1 Corinthians 12:13
    For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

    Galatians 3:27
    For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

    Lk 1: 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

    73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

    74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

    There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 & Jn 10:16 one fold

    1 Timothy 3:15
    But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

    Christ and His church are one: acts 9 why persecute me?




    Sacraments are the fruit of the sacrifice!
    The holy sacrifice of Christ, His passion, blood, and death producing unlimited fruits of divine grace, actual and sanctifying grace! Jn 1:29 Jn 1:16-17 Jn 10:10


    The promise (sacred oath or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27 Also a mystery
    Mk 4:11 Eph 5:32 eph 6:19 1 Tim 3:9 3:16 Col 1:27 2:2 4:3

    Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

    Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

    26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

    Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

    Heb 7:21 For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
    (Oath = sacrament)

    Hebrews 8:6
    But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Based on Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:



    A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
    Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

    The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

    Better covenant on better promises

    2 Timothy 1:1
    Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

    Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

    An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

    Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
    Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

    1 Corinthians 12:13
    For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

    Galatians 3:27
    For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


    1 Pet 3:20
    Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

    21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
    (Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
    (Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
     
  2. Conscious thoughts

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    As far as i know, in christianity yes, but i can be wrong
     
  3. actsfourthirty

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    there is nothing else! Only one covenant
    Thanks
     
  4. Jeremiah Ames

    Jeremiah Ames Well-Known Member

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    no way, not in a distorted man made religion anyway?

    but for me and my house, I will follow the Lord

    Joshua 24:15
     
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    i like to use the word ‘truths’ , but nothing wrong with facts
     
  6. URAVIP2ME

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    However, the ^ above ^ words " Faith Alone " are Not found in Scripture.
    Plus, Mark chapter 16 ends at Mark 16:8.
    The style of writing changes after verse 8.
    There aren't the corresponding reference verses after verse 8 as there are before verse 9.

    After the death of the Apostles their ' healing ' wonders through the name of their holy servant Jesus ended.
    - Acts of the Apostles 4:30; Acts of the Apostles 2:43; Acts of the Apostles 5:12; Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30
     
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  7. URAVIP2ME

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    Jesus believed that Scripture is 'religious truth' according to John 17:17.
    So, to Jesus Scripture is 'religious facts'.
     
  8. URAVIP2ME

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    I find baptism is necessary for the figurative ' sheep ' at the soon coming time of separation - Matthew 25:31-33,37.
    Baptism plus enduring to the end according to Jesus at Matthew 24:13.
    As for the already dead, 'death' is the total price tag that they Paid in Full according to Romans 6:23,7.
    So, their ' salvation ' (deliverance / rescue) will depend on what they do ' after ' they are resurrected.- Acts 24:15
     
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    I am wondering why you say the ^ above ^ because please notice Hebrews chapter 11.
    Please notice how many times ' faith ' is mentioned. ( faith meaning confidence in God's Word aka Scripture )
     
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    I find the current abode for the dead is 'sleeping' in the grave until Resurrection Day.
    Jesus and the OT both teach ' sleep ' in death - John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
    ( side note: biblical hell is the grave and Not a burning place. When King James translated the word Gehenna into English as hell fire that is what falsely put flames in hell/grave )
    During 'Resurrection Day' ( meaning Jesus' Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years )
    Then, the 'awakened' resurrected dead can compare faith-based works on what they do 'after' they are resurrected.
     
  11. URAVIP2ME

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    Can't change the world, but 'faith (confidence) in God changed the people of Hebrews chapter 11.
    Remember: Jesus said the declaring about the good news of God's Kingdom (Daniel 2:44) is for a witness ( Not a conversion ) of the nations according to Matthew 24:14.
     
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    I find Jesus taught about two (2) types of works:
    * The 'spiritual work' Jesus did according to Luke 4:43.
    * and the 'practical works' such as the neighboly good Samaritan did.
    Even an atheist can do 'practical works', but only Christians do the 'spiritual work as instructed by Jesus' at Matthew 24:14.
     
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    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    Our behaviors usually help people. We can "spread the word" all we want, but that doesn't place christ in people's hearts. It's proselytizing. One can change the world by our actions; I think that's near universal idea of seeing things. Witnessing is just a passive aggressive way of conversion. However, if we really respected others to do better for the world, we'd get together via our actions not our religion and definitely not faith.
     
  14. URAVIP2ME

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    Yes, even the behavior of the neighborly good Samaritan helped people in a practical loving way.
    Jesus said Not only to preach 'but also to teach' according to Matthew chapter 28.
    Christians are to follow in Jesus' foot steps, so to speak, - 1 Peter 2:21.
    Yes, teaching actions, whereas just witnessing can serve as a warning example.

    Biblical faith is 'confidence ' in the teachings of Jesus and in teaching others as Jesus taught.
     
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    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    Biblical truth and witnessing only helps christians (like colonization etc)-it's a self-centered practice that is not meant to benefit the other person in his or her own needs but the needs and divine justification of the person witnessing. That doesn't change the world for the better. This mentality has a track reward of death. Scripture quoting doesn't erase history nor does it change that people still do these things today for the "betterment" of the person they are witnessing to.

    Behavior through witnessing is self-centered practice. To "change the world" we need to 'work' together not have each other believe what we want them to. Counterproductive.
     
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    My experience is that more study yields more knowledge and less faith. [​IMG]
     
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    Do you not see a relationship?
    How are you defining "truth?"
     
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    Human survival.

    Faith in my self that I am an innocent as a human as compared to human science theism by humans as destroyer Satanists. Who infer my life in word use to evil.

    Faith that my word use not science thesis will bring to your mind attention about human survival on earth versus your satanic occult science status.

    Theism about all history of death and converting destruction. By your word use.

    Human faith using words in descriptive spiritual human survival skills to hope that words will save us as human advice. By explanation only.
     
  19. URAVIP2ME

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    Ouch! how do you explain Jesus' illustration about the neighborly good Samaritan if it only helps Christians.
    Declaring the good news of God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44) on an international scale as Jesus said to do - Matthew 24:14 benefits anyone who wants to live by the Golden Rule and Jesus' New commandment of John 13:34-35 to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has, or in other words, to Now love neighbor MORE than self, more than the Golden Rule of Leviticus 19:18.
    Yes, Jesus taught work together in showing both practical love and spiritual love even for one's enemies.
     
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    OK. So, again, if the dead sleep till judgement day they could not have been surveyed. And, again, how do we know they'll be saved by faith when the judgement comes?
     
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