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Featured How Does the Existence of God Negate Darwinian Evolution?

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by SalixIncendium, Nov 22, 2020.

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    No, it isn't. Faith in order in the universe is completely consistent with there being no God. Every atheist scientist has faith in that order.
     
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    Who believes that? By the way, Einstein was probably an atheist.
     
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    It's not surprising that Darwin was unsure how far his idea could be pushed. After all, he had only just put it down on paper. It is the 150 years of work that has been done on it since then that has confirmed the validity and explanatory power of his idea.
     
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    Saturated fats come from animals. In the book of Leviticus 7:22-24, Moses forbade people from eating fat of ox, sheep, or goats. Laws of quarantine were not instigated by modern people until the 17th century. The Bible discovered the importance of quarantining people long before medical science discovered the importance of quarantining people who had infectious diseases. Leviticus 13: 46 says " As long as the serious disease lasts, they will be ceremonially unclean. They must live in isolation in their place outside the camp."
     
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    But today we know that Moses was fictional. And the Bible also classifies bats as birds. And for bad science the Bible clearly states that the universe is geocentric, among other errors.
     
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    Newton, Faraday, Maxell, Kelvin, Boyle, Dalton, Ramsay, Ray, Linnaeus, Mendel, Pasteur, Steno, Woodward, Brewster, Agassiz, Kepler, Galileo, Herschel, Maunder, were creationists and not evolutionists. and their names are synonymous with the rise of science. Boyle is the first scientist who sowed the difference between compounds and elements and was a preacher. Faraday was the discoverer of electromagnetic induction once read only from the Bible for a sermon he did, saying that his words couldn't add anything to God's words. Maxwell discovered magnetic flux and he said, "Lord, it belongs not to my care, whether I die or live. To love and serve Thee is my share, and that Thy guard must give."
     
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    The Catholic Church was geocentric, not the Bible. The Bible says that the earth is round.
     
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    It takes more faith to believe that everything came from a singularity or something similar to that, than to believe that everything came from God.
     
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    Quarantining of people who were infectious is obvious. The Ancient Greeks did it. All you need for that is to realise that you can catch certain diseases from those who have already got it. It was not "medical science" that "discovered" the importance of quarantine. Ancient people had no science but they weren't idiots.

    As for the animal fat thing, that does not indicate and scientific knowledge, because no scientific reason is given. It could be just another of the fairy arbitrary dietary laws of the Jews.
     
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    Nope, most of those people were not creationists. You do not seem to realize what creationism is. Creationism is not simply believing the creation myths of the Bible. It is believing those myths in spite of the evidence for evolution. The word did not exist until after Darwin's theory. So Newton believed the creation myth, he had no reason not to, but he was not a creationist. He almost definitely would not be one after Darwin's time.

    This is a false appeal to authority. It is both a logical fallacy and dishonest. And Kelvin was not a creationist. He is an excellent example of why you were wrong. He eventually realized that Darwin was correct and dropped his belief in the creation myth:

    Kelvin Was Not a Creationist | National Center for Science Education
     
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    Nope. It might for you, but you lack an education in the sciences and refuse to learn. If a person tries to learn one sees that faith is not needed. This is called projection where a person accuses other of his sins.
     
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    Some of them were likely based upon experience. For example the laws about seafood. Red tide is an easily missed phenomenon that makes shellfish toxic to eat for a period of time. Observing people eating shellfish and sometimes getting sick may have inspired them to make it "unclean".
     
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    The idea of natural kinds is similar to creationism, not Darwinism. Natural kinds are mentioned in the Bible. Philosophy

    "Louis Agassiz even argued that species are God's individual thoughts, made incarnate so that we might perceive both His majesty and His message. He said that species are instituted by the Divine Intelligence as the categories of his mode of thinking. But how could a division of the organic world into discrete entities be justified by an evolutionary theory that proclaimed ceaseless change as the fundamental fact of nature?"
     
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    Non sequitur here. Geocentrism is the astronomical system that puts the Earth at the centre of the coordinate system. It was set down by Ptolemy and used throughout the Middle Ages, until Copernicus. The Earth being round was known from at least 300BC, when Eratosthenes estimated its circumference by measurement, and probably far longer ago than that, as it would have been obvious to any sailor. Nobody ever taught the Earth was flat, so far as I know and certainly not the Catholic Church, since the Earth has to be a sphere in the Ptolemaic system.
     
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    Johann Kepler was an astronomer and he said, "The chief aim of all investigation of the external world should be to discover the rational order and harmony which has been imposed on it by God." Kelvin said, "With regard to the origin of life, science positively affirms creation power." A lot of modern scientific knowledge is built on the discoveries of other Bible-believing scientists:

    Leonardo Da Vinci: Experimental science, physics

    Francis Bacon: Scientific method

    Samuel F. B. Morse: Telegraph

    William Petty: Statistics, scientific economics

    William Derham: Ecology

    James Joule (1818-1889): Thermodynamics

    Henri Fabre: Entomology of living insects.

    Joseph Henry: Electric Motor, galvanometer.
     
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    Yes, that's true. But other things, like not mixing meat and dairy products, are entirely arbitrary from a science viewpoint.
     
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    What's this, suddenly? Some kind of Gish Gallop? Not a word of this post of yours relates at all to the post you are replying to.
     
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    Isaiah 40:22 is before the Ancient Greeks and it says that the earth is round. The book of Isaiah was written about 700 BC. That is at least 300 years before Aristotle said in the book On the Heavens, that the earth might be a sphere.
     
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    Not all Jewish law comes from the Bible.
     
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    You mentioned that quarantine and evidence isn't proof of the Bible being real. I mentioned scientists who believed in God and the Bible.
     
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