Wildswanderer
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" Facts" are mostly debatable. In fact I don't think there's any " fact" that can be proven beyond doubt. We may not even exist.
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How does sin create a virus?
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Wandering Monk
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So, in your world you can believe any nonsense you like because there are no facts (except apparently in the spiritual realm which is completely unfalsifiable.)
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
There's evidence, but what we call facts are always in doubt.
I see lots of evidence for a creator. Can I prove I'm not just an illusion instead? Can we prove everything isn't? Not really, but most evidence still points to a created universe.
It might cause less consternation if you point out that facts
exist in a continuum, ranging from opinion (eg, mint tastes
good) to a apriori facts (eg, 2+2=4). There are varying degrees
of usefulness & reliability.
ecco
Veteran Member
Well, I took the liberty of humorously combining your comments about sin with Christian comments that: I ain't getting no vaccine; God will protect me".
ecco
Veteran Member
I say it is a fact that if you drop a bowling ball on your bare foot, you will feel pain.
Please do not take my word for this, I could be making it up. Please test it for yourself to see if it's really a fact or just something I made up.
Good to see you back. I was worried you might have gotten caught up in the recent storms.
Why did 'sin' corrupt nature? How? Mankind, sure, but all of nature? Was nature a being, young and susceptible to corruption? I don't understand what you mean. Can you explain it?
Brian2
Veteran Member
The Christian God was involved in warning us about the behaviour that can lead to such things.
God gave us a conscience and a body and mind that react in certain harmful ways and He warns us about those ways.
Brian2
Veteran Member
No we have gone our own ways but God has given us a way to be formed again in the image of God.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
No, temporary banning for some unfathomable reason.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Not completely. But this current world is under a curse because of man's sin. This isn't hard to find evidence for. Why can't we love each other perfectly and why can't we exist without pain? Sometimes it seems as if life itself is suffering. There's nothing untouched by the curse. Nothing in nature is perfect. In spite of all the talk of Harmony in nature, nature actually is in a constant state of struggle. Animal populations don't balance each other perfectly, there are boom and bust cycles and droughts in forest fires and volcanoes, etc.
We don't live in Eden.
The biblical Story is not just a redemption of the soul but of everything. Even the world will be remade back into an Eden where sickness and pain and death will no longer exist.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Instead of giving us a mechanism that demonstrates a physical connection between sin and viruses, we get a sermon.
Brian2
Veteran Member
Why does there have to be a physical connection when there is a spiritual connection?
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Saying that sin (a spiritual concept) causes viruses (a physical thing) demands a demonstration of a mechanism of how this happens.
paarsurrey
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Brian2
Veteran Member
Causing a virus to exist is the work of God. But there is no demonstrating of a mechanism for that either.
If there is a mechanism hypothesised that brought in the idea of spirit/s that would be dismissed because spirit/s are things that neither science nor I can demonstrate. Physical mechanisms however don't show that spirit had nothing to do with the thing that the mechanism is about.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
So your argument boils down to 'You can't prove there ISN'T a spiritual connection.'
tas8831
Well-Known Member
Not to a sensible and informed person that understands biology.
tas8831
Well-Known Member
So...
We can conclude just who is and is not a TRUE Christian/non-sinner by looking at the religious beliefs of those that have suffered from or died from Covid19... OK, I'll start:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/16/cardinal-raymond-burke-ventilator-covid/
Religious leaders worldwide, across faiths who died in 2020