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Featured How do you know that the human form isn't actually a vacation site for spirits?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ideogenous_mover, Sep 9, 2019.

  1. ideogenous_mover

    ideogenous_mover Well-Known Member

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    Many religions are so focused on the afterlife and reuniting with god, and enjoying some kind of bliss forever. What may have blind-sighted us is the notion that spirits may have wanted the limitations as defined by the capturing cage of the flesh. Out there beyond the body, perhaps they are but a whisper of wind, but a corporeal form is the afterlife they hope for. We usually see the human form as full of misadventures and hardship, but perhaps the spirits find actual joy in the body, when the alternative is to wander a universe of desert planets. Without a tongue, there is no taste of food, without a nose, no smell of all the flowers. I reckon that a spirit is nothing but a set of floating eyes and a mind.
     
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    Weird
     
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  3. Nakosis

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    Kind of like Scientology's idea of a thetan.
    Thetan - Wikipedia

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    How do you know there are spirits in the first place?
     
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    Shadow Wolf Crazy Diamond

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    Because there are places that no one vacations to.
     
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  6. ideogenous_mover

    ideogenous_mover Well-Known Member

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    As far as the eye can see, there is a host of desert planets. They cannot endure to wander them forever. For the chance to be alive, the spirits cast their lot here as the surface below the metaphysical grave, dying from an eternity in the ether
     
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    And yet everyone in awhile they vacation in a place that may be tolerable at best and far worse from there. Vacation where people are dying of starvation, disease, and AIDs? Vacation where the home is abusive? Vacation in a depressed shell that ends up taking their life? My life's not the hardest or worst, but if anyone wanted to "vacation here" I'd seriously think they were an idiot.
     
  8. ideogenous_mover

    ideogenous_mover Well-Known Member

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    So I take it you favor the notion of a metaphysical realm of bliss?

    So many of the things we do for 'fun' here on earth are strenuous and dangerous. I hike where there are mountain lions, sometimes I like climbing steep rocks. Other people jump from planes, explore the bottom of the Mariana trench.. on and on they push the line. Why would they do that?
     
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    Nope. Sounds too much like a 24/7 drug high too me.
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    That's pretty weird.

    Who would want to take a vacation inside a human?
     
  11. ideogenous_mover

    ideogenous_mover Well-Known Member

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    Then the argument of a spirit choosing to face the challenges / limitations of a corporeal nature has a point toward the op's side
     
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  12. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    Actually I think the spirit does choose the physical limitations for the experiences and challenges of the physical plane. It’s called incarnation.
     
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    I'm not too fond of that as it gives reason to believe someone "chose" the events and such of their life. It's a mentality common in those who are abusive.
     
  14. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    I'm not clear. I've never heard an abusive person say they chose that.
     
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    Abusers often phrase things as such to imply the abused is at fault for poor choices made by the abused.
     
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    I've actually heard that idea before, that that's a reason that possessions happen.
     
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    beenherebeforeagain Rogue Animist
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    Sounds like a variation on the Dream of Brahman, or perhaps Life is a Full Immersion Role Playing Game...

    But I believe there is a multitude of places with life, as strange and wondrous as this Earth...and that's not even counting the spirit worlds...
     
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    It seems to be a logical bridge to that kind of thing
     
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  19. ideogenous_mover

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    I was thinking about that, and I think a thing we overlook may be that this is a site of corporeal reality that is still being built, it's still in its infancy. The spirits want to build it into a place of more balance - a place with a 'perfection of balance.' This would involve giving everyone a fairer chance to live nearer to the better possibilities of this experience. However, the only way to do this is to keep living lives and building the foundation of the physical life concept until this occurs. That may be the basis of why this whole anthropocentric saga continues, it is rough out here, but that does not deter the will to forge forward. Then this will represent a better home for the spirits. This is the afterlife that they have the responsibility of building.
     
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  20. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    And if pigs could fly would the price of bacon take off?

    Show spirits exist then we can consider where they go on vacation
     
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