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Featured How do you "know" that others are wrong and you are right?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Amanaki, Jul 26, 2020.

  1. Amanaki

    Amanaki Well-Known Member

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    Personally I have no problem with spiritual people
     
  2. Amanaki

    Amanaki Well-Known Member

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    It's ok to insult?
     
  3. TagliatelliMonster

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    That doesn't change the nature of the burden of proof.
    Your beliefs are still claims that are in need of evidence as a demonstration of their accuracy.

    You might not find it important that have proper justification for your beliefs, but others do.
    And when you come to a religious forum to discuss religious ideas, it's perfectly fine to then ask you for your justification for those beliefs and / or to point out that you have no such proper justification to believe the things that you do.

    This forum is meant for discussing people's beliefs (or lack thereof) and their justification for those beliefs, after all.


    Sure.
     
  4. Koldo

    Koldo Incredible Member

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    I have noticed you skipped this post of mine:

    Maybe I have touched the actual issue?
     
  5. Amanaki

    Amanaki Well-Known Member

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    My belief in the teaching I cultivate is my own belief, no need for me to prove to others. It's a personal journey.
    If others does not agree that is not a problem to me.

    I have no other Falun Gong practitioners in RF to speak with. So you say I should keep silent then?
     
  6. Amanaki

    Amanaki Well-Known Member

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    I did not skip it. I answered it
     
  7. Koldo

    Koldo Incredible Member

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    I am afraid I can't find your answer anywhere.
     
  8. Amanaki

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    My answer was. No atheist have ever debunked anything in religion or spiritual practice.
    That is my view and only my view.what others say is up to them to say
     
  9. Koldo

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    To which I replied:

    "That's a pretty big claim.
    How do you know you are right?"

    And you skipped over it.
    Whenever you make a claim in a debate forum, always expect that someone will question and criticize it. If that annoys you, debates might not be the place for you.
     
  10. Amanaki

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    As I said it's my view on it. If others disagree, not a problem
     
  11. TagliatelliMonster

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    I have no idea why you felt the need to ask that question in reponse to the post you are actually replying to.

    It seems to me that considering everything I've said on the topic, it should be rather obvious that I wouldn't answer "yes" to that.
     
  12. rational experiences

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    In the spiritual teachings, which are human owned, group supported and themed, the belief involves theories of relative agreed advice.

    So if I said, was Jesus real, why does he discuss his Father, when a Father can only be a human being male with a penis who has sex with a human female to own the interactive union of sex to procreate a human baby?

    2 conditions of spiritual advice relate to human life in actuality.

    1.Every body of information existed before we did, owned and created in the form of its ownership. Which we stated, life belonged only to one body, the planet upon which we lived. For if stone did not exist, then the heavenly spirit gases that stone owned inside of its stone body would not be surrounding its body. Why the concept ONE was totally accepted in all world communities, no matter what language it was expressed in.

    2. To own change of force, which is only owned by human choice/science/machines, seeing natural law already owned all forces in natural presence was the advice of changes to our human life/body genetics. Genesis.

    Therefore the discussion, spirit owned a double inferred relative meaning. Self presence as the spiritual natural life involved in changes by the conditions of of the occult, being science changes.

    As the occult is phenomena and cause and effect of artificial sciences, seeing science does not actually own natural....natural is first and origin and owns natural. Science is only a researched theory and a formula to invent change to natural, which is artificial. Cause and effect in science terms is also artificial.

    Natural cause and effect is a condition of study in research that discusses natural conditions in laws of forces changing.

    Therefore if everyone said as a human learning and teaching self relative advice that was lost in artificial science, what was once natural, removed, and slowly now regained due to evolution after the Ice Age supported that evolution, then it is relative to state why the discussions are so difficult. For we are not in fact discussing natural cause and effect in laws of Nature, we have been discussing unnatural phenomena science artificial cause and effects.

    Which brings to mind a multi argument involving a true inability to understand the reasons, as they were never in fact natural to conditions that natural owns in its own forces interacting.

    Machines and human control of the machines is that actual subject.
     
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    “Your word is truth” John 17:17

    The inspired word of God indicates that humans are not completely capable of arriving at knowledge of 'truth' by themselves: “It does not belong to man who is walking to direct his steps” -Jeremiah 10:23

    Sense experience, feelings and affective intuitions are subjective and therefore unreliable determinants of knowing truth. Consequently the state of 'knowing' is only of value if it is based on correct data. An external guide is required – some form of reliable compass – by which matters of correct ethical theory, truth and judgement are determinable.

    The word of God given to us by divine inspiration is such a guide. Thus “the fear [or due consideration and reverence] of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom...” - Proverbs 1:7a; and because it is, as its author is, 'alive' it is the true foundation for all other truth-knowing. (Hebrew 4:12)

    Furthermore, the word God harmonises with observable natural law and his promises therein are 'testable' by all. (Malachi 6:10)

    What is needed therefore is a sincere, and righteous effort to make a thorough and systematic enquiry into understanding God's Word “...that you may be filled with accurate knowledge...” - Colossians 1:9. Such accurate knowledge then causes the individual to synchronise their understanding with that of the loving and all-knowing creator who imparts all good things.

    Since this is not self-determined truth such 'knowing' is progressive and will continue until mankind is restored to a perfect state wherein all will attain to the freedom this knowledge brings. (Romans 8:18)
     
  14. rational experiences

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    AI, artificial.

    P AI N, says a human being male, through his historical adult male life, Father of science, the artificial designer of it, who controls what AI does in machinery by his choice/volition. The machine, an artificial body of metal owns no volition.

    So then you would place thought back to the first machine theme...a Sun mass UFO formation, formed in the status natural causes. Which also would quote, owned no volition. Reason for the quote....as the spatial vacuum froze the heated radiation by the sucking down upon the heat, and sealed off space from the vacuum process that can pull apart mass.

    The spatial vacuum therefore is the most powerful cosmological law, sealed off.

    Why no machine owns self volition and has to own an operator.

    The machine history artificial copying quotes, males in science sacrificed their own life for wanting the highest state to copy.

    In our natural gas or spirit status, consciousness says the highest state is the cold clear gases, not burning, through which you can look into the cosmos.

    So if historically half and half burning and not burning existed, if you tried to invent a copy, you would increase day light burning by mass increase and at the same time set alight night time dark sky and burn it.

    The spatial vacuum, what you idealised, the want of the highest gases, the presence historically of no light, meant no burning. You were not successful in gaining a O whole maths equated non burning clear gas God atmosphere.

    Due to the increase of day light gases x mass burning. So you failed to end the DAY, but prove historically that the first scientist did in fact try to end the day.

    By his want/motivation of the most highest gas spirit condition in the heavenly body.....CLEAR gases.

    Today, possessed by what he did not achieve, the gain of clear gases in his science machination formula/cause, he is still expressing that same evaluation as his origin want....to gain the CLEAR O maths spirit of the highest body of God, in actuality.

    Why does a human know that event was real. For the story already tells you.

    Males as a group were alone first on Planet Earth with the Garden Nature as the original scientist.

    He explained that he sacrificed his own male spirit and the spirit in the Garden, and then depicted how a female human self then manifested out of the spirit after the animals did, just as the theme says.

    Which then forces any scientist today who argues as a claim that a human came as an alien in control of a machine ship...when the spatial vacuum has always sucked that mass back out into space to think again.

    If a human invented the first science theory as based on mountain mass being totally physically removed by the UFO o, then that was his own intention, meaning and motivation for actually having invented the statements for human sciences, on the precepts that he did in fact come from a spirit body that was described as the eternal.

    Where his own highest presence always had existed and he wanted to be released from being held trapped in life on Earth to return to that spirit life form.

    For any other theme factually makes no common sense for that theory and reaction to be sourced. Which historically did actually end the life of Nature on Earth, and only the Garden rooted grounded body survived underground, to grow again.

    When the UFO is an actual satellite of Earth's by having sucked up Earth's gases and water in its cooling, then it is the only reason why a human image was transmitted back to Earth from the satellite systems. The reason an alien is transmitted back from those satellites is because the origin of HUMAN DNA had been mutated and destroyed in bio organics. Why it no longer holds a male human image.

    It is why the Jesus theme, image of male/man in the cloud feed back was an important science teaching, relative to human life survival on Earth, as the highest taught spiritual lesson of his own sciences.
     
  15. Muffled

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    I believe I know I am right because what I am saying comes from God.
     
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    I believe however that those who think they can judge the justification can be just as wrong in their judgment.
     
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    When males are the scientist and thinker beyond just existing in a natural bio life on a Planet, to pose a thesis, where did I come from and how was I created.

    All of these forms of pre existing natural thoughts and stories exist first before any scientific formula or design that belongs to the building machine and then reaction.

    So a lot of thoughts and stories exist first naturally.

    As we knew we lived due to natural light, natural light is then consciously imposed as being the Creator in our life. However natural creation history said when gases burnt they were self consuming. That information is science notified.

    If you alight gases they get removed.....knowledge.

    Hence he cannot ever say that he was not informed before he first built his first artificial machine, which he built and manifested as a human male. Consciousness says, it never knew any machine until he manifested that machine design in his own male psyche, human. The designer.

    Therefore it is artificial and owns no God reasoning, as science. Science was never God....science was the alter/anti effect....for gases already were naturally alight and burning....yet life lived in a cooled atmosphere which a male knew was the spatial voiding of the burning.

    The vacuum sucking upon burning cools it. So he knew that the seal involved the vacuum of space, historically.

    So when he tells you as a human looking at burning light, you cannot look upon it, of course you cannot. Yet if he introduced a machine that encoded and used radiation/radio waves, then he placed his own image feed back into that burning light.

    Reasoning, the UFO satellite history cooled radiation to Earth metals holding inside of its opened burning mass was gas and water sucked into it. So they were sucked out into the vacuum of space and became Earth transmitters, due to natural history. They never were any machine.

    Yet due to that history it is how the UFO transmitted back from out of space the human male Designers image when he ground mass attacked/split and removed water mass that he was living inside of. Took it away from bio Nature and we were irradiated cell and chemically converted due to his lying.

    We die seeing a male in the light, for our death is involved in radiation constant conditions, of inability to survive beyond around 100 years, in human logic.

    So of course historically a male would claim self was God, seeing he did all the story telling theorising about self, and then attack on self. Yet he was reviewing and discussing science.
     
  18. TagliatelliMonster

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    The thing is though, that I'm not actually "judging" it in the sense of being capable of demonstrating it to be incorrect.

    After all, it's kind of hard to falsify the unfalsifiable...


    Instead, I'm only pointing out that belief is arbitrary since there is nothing that properly supports it. Might as well believe in any of the other religions (or fairy tales), since they all have the same kind of non-evidence going for them.

    This is the problem with "faith". On "faith", you can believe literally anything.
     
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