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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Bird123, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. Muslim-UK

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    So you are telling me God is not involved in any way when a child is fashioned in the womb? So God does not ordain and decree everything in Christianity? Is Satan, who is a creation of God, able to have more power than God?

    If Adam and Eve pbut were responsible for a fallen World, then the Prophets would be telling their people so. Why is there no big deal made in the Torah, or by Jesus pbuh?

    Science proves the environment can affect a baby's health, similarly if a Mother has poor health, smokes etc, this too can cause problems. Man has free will to make the environment beneficial for people, or to poison it. Those babies will be perfect in Heaven, and as I said before, the disability is a test for the parents and could be their ticket to Heaven.

    All these things come from former Christian majority Countries.


    Honour your parents. He ignored his own Mother and called her 'Woman' at the wedding.



    To prove this is so, please post the prayer Jesus pbuh recited when he fell on his face and prayed all night in the garden of Getsemane, when he was so worried, he sweated blood.


    So do you believe you are a better person than Adam and Eve pbut? If you were in the garden of Eden, you would be better?
    Or are you saying God did a poor job in creating Adam and eve, and giving them free will?
     
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    There are limits. Parents whose children kill them have little left to teach and cannot, indeed, teach them any longer.

    We killed Jesus Christ on the cross with our sin.
     
  3. Muslim-UK

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    Jesus pbuh did not die on the cross. Crucifixion, resurrection, Son of God and Trinity are all made up to justify a Roman Religion.
     
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    Why did the Church dispute over the following books: Revelations, Hebrews, Philemon, and the Catholic Epistles (I and II Peter, I and II and III John, and Jude) ?

    John 21:20-21 Did the Jewish Disciple John write it?
     
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    WOA THERE HORSEE! You haven't even proven he lied.

    In scripture... in Gospels... by the words of Jesus (pbuh) and the OT.

    No... it started with "I want to remind you" and not "I'm trying to convince you"

    You haven't even established it was a different gospel. Actually, if you read the scriptures correctly, Paul went to Jerusalem to speak to those in authority (apostles) to make sure he WASN'T giving a different gospel.. He found out he was doing just fine

    Where are you getting the information that "no crucifixion" was even an issue? Peter preached it, John preached it, Phillip preached it, Stephen preached it and most importantly of all...

    500 WITNESSED IT!!!!! not to mention they couldn't find the body and the grave was empty.
     
  6. KenS

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    No... it is a matter of recorded history
     
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    Heb 8:9?

    What written Gospels existed when that letter was written?
    Where in the OT does it mention death and resurrection of Jesus pbuh after 3 days as Paul states?

    He was preaching his Gospel, and we'll see if it was the same as the Disciples in due course.

    See post 144 above. Where is Peter and Phillip preaching this; in the Book of Acts?

    This equates to Tens of Thousands of people within a few years. Let's see if the evidence supports this.
     
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    Usually if someone says, so and so was taken to the cross to be crucified, save a miracle, (which secular Historians do not believe in), Historians accept that person must have been crucified.

    You say 500 people saw him after he rose, but you won't find any secular Historians confirm it happened.

    So one the one hand, at the crucifixion all his disciples fled, a darkness fell over the land, a Earthquake shook the ground, leaving the people in fear, the day of the crucifixion is disputed, the time on the cross, the witnesses, the last words said etc, yet Historians accept it because, well if he was on the cross, then yes he must have died.

    On the other hand, despite hundreds of witnesses, no one in Secular circles accepts the Resurrection.

    Who exactly witnessed the crucifixion?
     
  9. KenS

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    ????

    9 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.

    Quoting a good verse didn't help any

    Which letter?

    you mean the one that Jesus (pbuh) spoke about again and again?

    Death and burial ... Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, Psalms 88. and so many more
    resurrection... Gen 3:15, Ps 16 and so many more in types and shadows

    Acts 2, Acts 8

    You sure are digging a hole.
     
  10. KenS

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    You won't find any historians saying that it wasn't Jesus (pbuh) who died on a cross nor that Jesus didn't die on the cross as you declare yet that is what you believe. However, we DO know that the message spread across the known world.

    But the soldiers who cast dice for his clothing (as prophesied) believed he was crucified. The soldiers that reported Herod belied he was crucified. The soldiers that pierced his side believed. The people who pulled him off the cross and wrapped his body and buried him believed. The soldiers who fell like dead when the angels came believed etc etc etc.

    Nor will you find any secular historians who believe that Mohammad was a prophet (mghmohs).
     
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    How are prisons teaching? They just lock you away.
     
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    neither
     
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    Parents need to out think their children. Humanity will protect themselves in the meantime.
     
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    Are actions really justified if no one remembers?

    As I see it, we are all Spiritual Beings trapped in a physical body. Discovery should not have limits unless we place those limits upon ourselves. On the other hand, if one does place limits on themselves, what will one miss? I don't think we are supposed to miss anything.
     
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    As I see it. Death is no more than a Change. The lessons will never go away until the lessons are learned. We are all Eternal.
     
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    Paul quoted Jeremiah 31:32

    "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:"

    A husband remains loyal as referenced in other places of Jeremiah, yet Paul is talking divorce by altering the text.

    There's nothing about a death on the cross, much less a resurrection from death 3 days later.

    Written by Luke, the Disciple of Paul.


    None of the Historians were at the scene, they are only going on the NT, and hearsay.
     
  17. KenS

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    Oh no... there are classes for GED and a host of other classes for self improvement and instruction... but people still choose to go back to prison.
     
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    I agree with most of that. But often people do not forgive themselves for their own mistakes.
    They often do not forgive others, and become resentful. This is often justifiable when the perpetrator
    'apologizes' for his error, and then continues to make others suffer by repeating the error.
    Forgiveness is part of the process of indicating that genuine learning has taken place.

    A killer may kill out of self-defense, but then becomes a mass murderer in order to try and justify that
    initial act as being acceptable practice. I have seen this in examining the apartheid racists and
    how they justified oppressing and killing black people in order to even try and come to terms
    with race wars from previous generations.
     
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    They wouldn't have to be justified.

    If there's no one to judge you, and who's going to judge God, you can do anything you want.

    Flood the world, kill everyone. Bring them all back. Cause them to not remember any prior event, no harm has been done.

    How can you be harmed by something you have no knowledge of? You feel harmed because of your thoughts about it, but you wouldn't have them to feel harmed by.
     
  20. KenS

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    That's a muslim interpretation which obviously you don't want it to say something else.

    Then you didn't read it.

    Who also spoke to the Apostles.


    Luke gave the historical account besides being a doctor and confirmed by it by speaking to many first hand witnesses. Like what they do at a crime scene. Those who take notes didn't see it but they record the eye witness accounts.

    None of the muslims who say "Jesus didn't die on the cross" were at the scene... it is fake news.
     
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