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Featured How do you Define God????

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Bird123, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. Bird123

    Bird123 Well-Known Member

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    How would you define a God who would create Hell knowing someone would go there?

    How would you define the Quality of Justice in a God who creates an eternal punishment without the possibility of redemption?

    I have been told by some that God does not send people to Hell, they volunteer to go. What does that say about a God who is unwilling or unable to fix the problems with His creations?

    Some say God is helpless within the realm of free will. A saleslady in the mall sold me some cookware that I didn't even need or want under the realm of my free will. If this lady is not helpless under the realm of free will, what does that say about a God who is?

    Some say God can't stand to be around Evil and that is the reason for Hell. How many times have people had to be uncomfortable in order to solve the problems of the world? What does that say about a God who won't live up to the same standards that His creations must?

    Some say God is perfect, yet in the next breath they say all people are flawed from birth. What does that say about a perfect God who can't create perfect people?

    Some say God is Unconditional Love, yet in the next breath they list conditions in order to get God's favor for things such as eternal bliss and heaven.

    As I see it, Real Truth must always add up. How could I define God as all these people do when it doesn't add up?

    When things do not add up, that is the time one should Question. If one merely accepts it, one is not really after the truth.

    Can one choose to live outside reality in a realm of beliefs? As I see it, many are doing just that today. What many do not realize is that living in true reality is better.

    Our actions and choices define who we are.
    God's actions and choices define who God is.
    How do you define God? Does it Really add up?
     
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  2. Jeremiahcp

    Jeremiahcp Well-Known Member

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    "How do you define God?"

    Some say. . . .
     
  3. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man.

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    Pure imagination. Life of its own making.

    God is defined by the terms for which one uses it.
     
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    I have a better question: why do you (dear reader of this post) allow other people to define God for you? Why do you assume that they would know what God is better than you would?

    Why do you let religions define God for you? Religions are just the expression of a theological belief system, invented and interpreted by humans. And those humans weren't and aren't any more informed about the nature or existence of God than you are.

    So why not decide for yourself what you think God is, if you think God exists. Or even just decide what you would like God to be, if God exists. And then decide if you are better off for believing in your God, or not.
     
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  5. Bird123

    Bird123 Well-Known Member

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    As I see it. God is Unconditional Love. God is creating perfection through us. God is not through creating us yet. We are still in the process. Hell is an invention of mankind. Hell does not exist.
     
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    Is God not much more than a term?
     
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    Deidre Follow Thy Heart

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    This! I finally accept this as my Truth.
     
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    Whatever floats your boat.
     
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    I would define such a God to be a petty functionary or corrupt bishop hoping to get laid by threatening frightened girls into submission.

    I would define that as 'Penis justice' or 'Food justice' in which if the penis and stomach are pleased, then justice has been served.

    I guess it says you have not paid him enough. Perhaps if you make a deal he will change the conditions.

    Freewill means you have the power to decide right from wrong. It doesn't mean you have control of your life. It means that you have a conscience.

    I guess it says that God lets people say whatever they like about 'Him' and doesn't interfere. I guess it also says that God thinks he doesn't owe us any favors, intervention or explanations. Though I'm not a Deist, its probably a factor in deism.

    To me this question seems irrelevant, except to those people who told you that.

    People aren't logical, but perhaps the focus here is upon embracing the concept of unconditional love towards the end of ending all hostilities. How do you manage to overlook this possibility?

    Imagine that you care not only about yourself but about all people both past and future. Imagine you empathize with all people and all suffering. Despite this you are an individual, full of yourself. How many contradictions are in you, yet all you have done is to care for everyone including yourself?

    I get what you are saying.

    Its a fair question.
     
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    I like what Metis said as a good place to start. I quote;

    "Whatever caused this universe I'll call 'God' and pretty much just leave it at that." -- Me'tis

    My concept of God (which is growing) starts with the above quote.
     
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    Depends upon how you approach it I think.

    Things like this are typically defined by ones own actions as it relates to terms for which it stands on its own accord, or the term by which its being acted upon in behalf.

    In the case of God, the term remains innocuous in itself as it applies in any real direct fashion, but rather through the actions by others for which meaning is being defined as being something more than just a word alone.
     
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    How does what you think God is relate to what you wish God were?
     
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    Yes, that sounds like a good starting point on a journey to discover all the truth.
     
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    What happens when you discover God is actually Someone rather than an idea or concept created in the minds of others? Perhaps your assumption that God could not possibly exists prevents that from happening until such point God decides to contact you directly. What would you do at that point? Run back to all the proclaimed doctrine or discover what stares you in the face?
     
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    Perhaps one should work at discovering who God actually is, rather than what one thinks or wants God to be.
     
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    history could have made more convincing religions. God is an idealistic fairy tale and since nothing is ideal there is no God. So God is what you make of it all, your most perfect vision of existence.

    Once you envision a God than you give yourself all sorts of things to live up to. so perhaps God is a goal, or a striving for an excellent way to live. what does reality really offer in the way of eternal hope? You simply have to make this stuff up. the evidence says eternity is a big guess, and offers no promises.
     
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    First question to ask would be why did He create us? To worship Him alone, thank him for our blessings and call on Him for help during our lows.

    Hell is for those who denied Him, Hell is for those who are open tyrants, the oppressors and killers.

    Only the worst of mankind will remain in eternal punishment. Everyone else will eventually be saved. You enter the inter-space between the First Heaven and Hell.


    He has given us clear guidance and warnings. We do indeed decide our own fates.

    The sales lady was doing her job, and appears rather good at it. You were given a receipt and chance to change your mind within a certain number of days. Next time take someone along who is firm and direct with pesky sales people.

    Inherited sin of Adam and Eve, peace be upon them, is not true and was promoted to explain why a innocent man had to die. (No he didn't die nor was he crucified).

    Not true, you can do absolutely nothing and not go to Hell for ever.

    It does add up, perhaps you haven't broadened your scope to seek truth. The GOD of Abraham, peace be upon him, sent many messengers, and the final message has been preserved.


     
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    It sounds like god is defined by the emotions and passions of humans both those who have passed and those living today. It sounds like the definitions people take up are those that foster their needs. Then they feel they need a balance and try to add find print that god has "justice" but on the same note sag god would never do such a thing unless we choose to.

    A lot of definitions of god can be said about humans.

    Why not let your experiences of god define god for you and not people who passed on and the opinions of people today?

    Life didnt just become "undivine" within three thousand some odd years.

    Divinity is in you.
     
  19. The Holy Bottom Burp

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    The OP seems to be talking about the Abrahamic god, so more specificity is required @Bird123, there are many religions represented on this forum. Generally speaking, "How do you define God?" is a much broader question, a more interesting one perhaps. If I could command a platform in front of the world's population today and ask them "do you believe in God?" billions would answer in the affirmative. However, they would have different concepts in their head about "God" of course; some personal, some impersonal, some metaphorical etc. The definition of "God" depends on your cultural origins and your own personal life history. I cannot think of another word as open to interpretation as "God". I'd welcome suggestions for any contenders!
     
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    Now that you ask, I realiize that I would call him limited.

    I don't really. I have come to conclude that the one defining factor for a god is the existence of someone willing to worship it.

    And sure, many of those conceptions are all-out incoherent.
     
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