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Featured How do we know a Prophet is a Prophet and sent by God?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by loverofhumanity, May 11, 2022.

  1. QuestioningMind

    QuestioningMind Well-Known Member

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    Nope, I haven't changed it to an unverifiable pixie, it was ALWAYS an unverifiable pixie. Go back and read the post I made that you originally responded to.

    My Post:
    An unverifiable god is about as meaningful as an unverifiable magical pixie.

    Your Response

    Actually its not.

    Is a magical pixie created or uncreated? Just as a thought experiment. One step at a time.

    #91

    You've done this before. You start a conversation with me and when you're 'thought experiment' goes nowhere you blatantly lie about what I wrote and accuse me of trying to be 'sly and change the agenda to suit me' when that's exactly what YOU are attempting to do by being blatantly dishonest about what I said.

    How shameful.
     
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  2. firedragon

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    I dont remember you mate.

    Anyway,

    Can you give your definitions and what you know about both of these characters?

    1. Unverifiable God.
    2. What are the arguments you have heard for this unverifiable God.
    3. Unverifiable Pixie
    4. What are the arguments you have heard for this unverifiable pixie.
     
  3. Ella S.

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    Some of the sociological research done on New Religious Movements might shed some light on this question.
     
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  4. loverofhumanity

    loverofhumanity Well-Known Member
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    There is only a small handful of religious Figures throughout recorded history Who succeeded in capturing the minds and hearts and spread their Cause universally throughout the world despite the cruelest persecution from powerful governments.

    They had no wealth or power to assist them, were banished, exiled, imprisoned, tortured, stoned and even crucified, yet They overcame their adversaries in the end.

    Eventually They came to be revered with temples, mosques, synagogues, pagodas and churches built praising and glorifying Their Names all over the world. Kings and Queens bow before Them although They passed away thousands of years ago.

    How do They continue to inspire such loyalty and devotion even centuries later and to this day?
     
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  5. Sirona

    Sirona Hindu Wannabe

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    AFAIK, from the HIndu perspective, the ability to worship God(s) is the distinct human trait that distinguishes humans from animals. But this says absolutely nothing about why a certain believer would choose a specific belief.
     
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  6. QuestioningMind

    QuestioningMind Well-Known Member

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    Why would I bother? All you'll do is LIE about what I said later, just like you did with your last post... mate.
     
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  7. Ella S.

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    A large chunk of ideologies are recognized on a global scale, not merely a small handful, in my opinion.

    Ideas tend to propagate. I don't think there's anything puzzling about that.
     
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    74x12 Well-Known Member

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    Rule #1: If they contradict the Bible they aren't of God.
     
  9. loverofhumanity

    loverofhumanity Well-Known Member
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    I think you’re onto something of vital importance and that is that the ability to worship God is a human trait only..
     
  10. CG Didymus

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    Yeah, religious believe are a strange thing. But we know how Christianity spread. We know who the players were that made it into a world religion. And we know that the Baha'i Faith doesn't believe lots of the things that Christianity tells us are true. It doesn't matter Protestant, Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic or any other sect you want to look at, not one of them is teaching and believing in the things the Baha'i Faith tells us are true. Satan? The resurrection? Original sin? A six-day creation? A world-wide flood? So, the "greatness" of Christianity isn't because it is necessarily true. but it is only because people came to believe it was true... Or, probably closer to the truth, had to appear to believe it to be true to avoid getting into trouble.

    Do Baha'is believe everything Paul said in his epistles? Then all those Church Fathers that interpreted the NT and helped form the Church doctrine. I don't believe all that stuff is true. And I doubt Baha'is do either. Yet, Christianity, with its many errant beliefs and doctrines, spread around the world. Then came the Protestant Reformation. Those Christians didn't even believe in the things taught by the Roman Church. And then Protestantism, all of its many sects, spread over the whole world. Missionaries telling people that their old beliefs were false and how they needed Jesus. And, of course, that Jesus is the only way. So, way did it spread? Was it because it was the truth from God? No, because Christians don't even agree on what is the truth.

    But, just like prophets of old, some people come on as if they "know" the truth. They "know" the Bible, meaning the Christian version with the NT added on, is The Truth. They are passionate about their beliefs, and some are very charismatic... Like the character in the movie Elmer Gantry. We've had Billy Grahams and Jimmy Swaggart and so many others. By Baha'is standards, not one of them is speaking the real truth. But, instead, Baha'is believe a misinterpretation of the truth. Sure, great people have given their lives to spreading that truth. But is it and was it ever The Truth?
     
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  11. Ella S.

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    Where do you get this rule from?
     
  12. loverofhumanity

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    For myself personally, the centre of Christianity was Christ and still is and that’s the reason why it has endured thousands of years despite many questionable doctrines and man made teachings. Christ to me is as the sun from which all light emanates and from which candles get their light too. Without Christ as the Centre, Christianity I believe would have died out the same generation it began and with Christ’s passing the world would no longer have heard of Him had there not been a mystical force behind Him, guiding and inspiring those who followed Him. Some call it the Holy Spirit, but whatever it was, it still inspires hearts and minds.

    So regardless of who spread or led Christianity at any given time in history, wasn’t it the mystical force behind Christ which was the real Cause of its spread? I have no doubt that Christ was true or truth, so the truth of Christ has spread to modern times despite man made doctrines being added.
     
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    It's based on the Bible. Not that it literally says "# 1" but to me it is rule # 1.

    It's the first thing I'll check for when determining if someone is a true prophet or not.
     
  14. Subduction Zone

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    What if the Bible is wrong?
     
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    Up to you to decide that for yourself. It's full proof as far as I'm concerned.
     
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    And I will ask the same question. What if Deuteronomy is wrong? How do you know that it is right? The Baha'i think that believe that their prophets are right The Muslims believe that their prophet is right.

    How do you test them? Everybody has confirmation bias tests so those are worthless. And one cannot assume that any one holy book is right because we have not even gotten into Eastern religions or New World ones. Or African ones.
     
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    The problem is that your concept of "proof" appears to be broken.
     
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    From my part, a prophet coming from the God of the bible must also have a way to say the message that will identify him as such.

    Also, there are certain situations that will help a lot to identify the prophet.

    A prophet of the God is not just any person. You can witness this reality today. There are lots of men and women talking loud in the street corners, outside shopping centers and etc. saying messages and nobody pays attention to them. Something is missing that people just ignore them.

    The prophet, on the other hand, will be heard, and no matter if he is a false prophet, surely he will be heard by many and these many will believe in the message.
     
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    In the Jewish belief. A prophet can only be considered as one if all his positive prophecies are met.
    Negative prophecies are always considered possible and not a must.
     
  20. Subduction Zone

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    So Zeke is not a prophet?
     
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