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Featured How Did the Universe Come to Be?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SalixIncendium, Feb 6, 2020.

  1. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium Advaita Vedantin
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    In your understanding, how did the universe come to be?

    Was it created*? If so, by what?

    If you don't think it was created, how did universe come to be as we experience it?


    *For the purpose of this thread, we will define 'create' as 'to bring into existence.' Also, let's please not jump to the conclusion that 'creating' automatically assumes intelligence.
     
  2. Galateasdream

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    I don't know.
    I think, ultimately, it's logical causation lies in God, but I have no idea about anything else.
     
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    I regard the phrase 'the universe' to include all matter and energy throughout space and time.

    As such, it did not 'come to be'; time is part of the universe and 'coming to be' requires time.

    As far as I can see, the universe 'just is'.
     
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  4. ChristineM

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    The one who come up with a valid answer to that will no doubt receive a Nobel prize?

    I have heard several hypothesis, all valid and possible, none of which are likely to progress to anything more than an idea.

    So can i ask, do you mean the universe we inhabit, that which began 13.8 (ish) billion years ago, or the possible whole general mish-mash (assuming a multiverse)
     
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  5. Ayjaydee

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    As we experience it, the big bang. Beyond that I dont know that it came to be, it may just BE
     
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    I don't know?
    Isn't that exciting, there are unknowns out there that scientists can work on?
     
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    I believe God Created the universe by natural methods, but it is not logical, because it requires one to have assumptions that are beyond science.
     
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    I have no idea.
     
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    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    No idea, but I believe someone has a patent out. :oops:
     
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    Ah, I meant logical causation as in the universe's cause lies in God even if that's not a temporal event, so allowing for the universe to theoretically be a metaphysically necessary co-eternal thing, though one causally dependant upon God.
     
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    The most anyone can do is guess. One guess is as good as another.

    I suppose an ancillary question might be: Where did all the "stuff" to form the universe come from in the first place? Was our universe just an empty void at one point? Did all the material substance and other building blocks of our universe suddenly appear out of nowhere?
     
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    Matter and energy are interchangeable
     
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    We don't know. However it happened, it's bound to be rather weird and mindblowing from our perspective, I would guess.

    That seems quite unlikely to me, if by "created" you mean a purposefull action by a sentient being.

    I don' tknow.

    Ow. In that case, I'ld say "yes, it was created". As in, it somehow began / came into existance as a space-time continuum.

    Perhaps the universe, as an entity, always existed and the big bang was merely that thing "changing form" or something. But that still, for me, would count as the "space time continuum" coming into existance.
     
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    Before the Big Bang, the giant mass that existed at the Center was not bound by “the rules”. Adam dwelt there with eve, and would have lived forever, as the rules of physics as well as space and time did not exist... yet.

    ...Then God blew it up by applying the “rules”. And so now we have “rules”.

    ...Now life has to work to emerge, wherever it can, from the remnants of the original giant mass. If fortunate enough, the life will eventually develop a conscious mind, and become partakers in the heavenly afterlife like the original beings God created.
     
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    Prior to 7000 BC there was Virtual Reality, after that Actual Reality. The theory of Virtual Reality and its Virtual Matter is in viXra. Do you need link? Then write me PM.
     
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    My guess is that the universe existed in some form or the other always. The Big Bang is simply the latest mode in which it exists now.
     
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    Quantum Perturbation.
     
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    You believe Adam and Eve lived inside the singularity, and then when creation happened it ripped their bodies apart and spread them out to form all the galaxies in the night sky? Or that we all are Adam and Eve emerging through evolution to our former state of formlessness in God?
     
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    Mathematical Universe seems as good or better than any other.

    The Mathematical Universe
     
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