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How did Jesus keep from sinning?

Discussion in 'Seventh-day Adventist Church DIR' started by Simbagraphix, Mar 5, 2012.

  1. Simbagraphix

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    We know Christ came in the same flesh as man. He had the genetic makeup handed down from Adam's fall through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and King David. So He was made in all points just like we are. He had flesh and blood and could suffer death. So what kept Him from sinning?
     
  2. One in Waiting

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    The answer is simple: he kept his mind totally focused on the purpose God had for his life. The Word asks us to pray continually. One purpose this serves is to keep our minds on God and his Will in every area of our lives, all the time. No sin can enter the mind,words or actions of one who focuses on God continuously; there is simply no room for it. Jesus mastered this as no other man could because of his eminent duality. In short, God came to earth and gave a living example of how keeping His purpose for our lives in the forefront of our minds enables us to avoid sin.
     
  3. URAVIP2ME

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    Adam was created with a sinless nature meaning his leanings were toward righteousness and because of that sinless nature then Adam could only sin on purpose.

    Jesus, like Adam at his creation, had a righteous sinless nature and chose on purpose to obey doing God's will above his own will.

    Unlike Jesus, we had Adam as our father or family head.
    Father Adam passed down to us his then imperfect DNA with its leanings toward wrongdoings.


    - Matthew 26 v 39; Mark 14 v 36 B; Luke 22 v 42; John 4 v 34; 5 v 30; 6 v 38
     
  4. sincerly

    sincerly Well-Known Member

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    Originally Posted by Simbagraphix [​IMG]
    We know Christ came in the same flesh as man. He had the genetic makeup handed down from Adam's fall through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and King David. So He was made in all points just like we are. He had flesh and blood and could suffer death. So what kept Him from sinning?

    Originally Posted by Simbagraphix [​IMG]
    We know Christ came in the same flesh as man. He had the genetic makeup handed down from Adam's fall through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and King David. So He was made in all points just like we are. He had flesh and blood and could suffer death. So what kept Him from sinning?


    The converse of the OP question is "Why didn't Jesus Christ sin?? The Scriptures tell us that "Jesus was tempted in all points, like as we, but sinned not." Jesus was born to Mary and as a man was subject to all the weakness that we inherit. However, there is no validity in the excuse that NOW "man can not keep the Law".
    Jesus disproved that myth long ago.

    One in waiting was correct in the keeping focused on the things which please GOD.
    James(1:14-15) gives the Answer to why one SINS and that is contrary being focused. Notice: "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."

    Jesus was focused, "For this cause came I into the world".
     
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  5. URAVIP2ME

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    Could suffer death meaning could be put to death.
    We die because we sin. Jesus could not die by what we might term 'a natural death'.
    A natural death from having a sinful nature.

    Hebrews [4 v 15] in the Greek carries the idea of 'according to likeness apart from sin'.
    Meaning Jesus was apart from sin, or was without sin.

    Jesus was born on earth with a sinless nature.
    Adam was created on earth with a sinless nature.
    Meaning they could only sin on purpose and not by accident or mistake.
    Adam chose to disobey. Jesus chose to obey.
    Adam was tested in least.
    Jesus was tested in much.
    Perfect sinless Jesus showed Adam could have easily remained faithful to God.

    Hebrews [2 v 17] mentions Jesus being like his brothers in all respects....
    However, perfect or sinless Jesus would make reconciliation [a propitiatory sacrifice ] Not for his sins but 'the sins of the people'.

    Since Jesus [ except for sin ] shared completely like his brothers, then no way could Jesus be God. [ end reply ]

    The converse of the OP question is "Why didn't Jesus Christ sin?? The Scriptures tell us that "Jesus was tempted in all points, like as we, but sinned not." Jesus was born to Mary and as a man was subject to all the weakness that we inherit.
    .[/quote]

    See response above starting with the words 'could suffer death'.....
     
  6. sincerly

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    Originally Posted by sincerly [​IMG]
    Originally Posted by Simbagraphix [​IMG]
    We know Christ came in the same flesh as man. He had the genetic makeup handed down from Adam's fall through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and King David. So He was made in all points just like we are. He had flesh and blood and could suffer death. So what kept Him from sinning?


    uravip2me, Jesus Christ's mision was never meant to "die a natural death". He was conceived of MARY by GOD the HOLY SPIRIT. Jesus was every bit GOD and every bit human. Yes, as a human, HE could suffer and die in the place of the Repentant Sinner(you and I). However, as a Human, HE was tempted in every point as we are and remained sinless. Had He yielded in any point HE would not have been able to be one's propitiation.

    The same choice to obey or disobey is ours today. However, we are born with the sentence of death upon us because of Adam's sin. The reason for the necessary New birth. Repent and be baptized---into Jesus's death, burial, and resurrection for our salvation.

    This last statement is what is contrary the scriptural message. NO, Jesus Christ was not GOD the Father; However, the scriptures attest to Jesus as GOD the SON --OF GOD THE FATHER.

    See answers above.
     
  7. URAVIP2ME

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    What Scripture refers to God the Son ?___________

    Isn't Revelation [ 3 v 14] clear that Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God ?_______

    Did God have a beginning, or is God from everlasting [no beginning] ?
    Only God was before the beginning.
    Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.

    Just because Jesus was not meant to die a natural death, did not mean that Jesus was not mortal?

    Mortal Adam was not meant do die a natural death either, was he ?
    Adam chose disobedience that caused his 'natural' death.

    Jesus was not granted immortality until God gave it to him according to John 5 v 26.
    It was not until God resurrected Jesus out of hell that Jesus was granted immortal life.
    -Acts 2 vs 27, 31,32
     
  8. sincerly

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    URAVIP2ME, Here are a few of the Scriptures which answer your above thoughts.
    Matt.14:33; 16:16; Mark 3:11; John 1:1-3, 14, 49; 11:27; Heb.1:1-14

    The Angels were created, and some rebelled/warred in "Heaven" Prior to the creation of Earth and its heavens. Jesus consented to being the "Lamb slain before the foundation of the world" as we know it. Rev.13:8; 1 Peter1:20 For the redemption of mankind should "man" disobey.
     
  9. URAVIP2ME

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    Mt. 14 v 33 in Scripture worship can be in a relative sense such as obeisance. 2 Chron. 20 v 18
     
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    Mt 16 v 16 Peter believes Jesus is Son, Not God [ John 6 v 69 ]
     
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    Mark 3 v 11 The demons believe Jesus is Son, Not God
     
  12. URAVIP2ME

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    John 1 vs 1-3 The same Greek grammar rule applies at John 1 v 1 as at Acts 28 v 6 B
    KJV is not consistent in that it has the letter 'a' at one verse and not the other although the same Greek grammar rule applies at both verses.

    John 1 v 2 Jesus was in the beginning 'with' God. Doesn't 'with' imply with another.
    Jesus was 'with' God at Gen. 1 v 26
    According to Scripture God has No beginning.
    Therefore only God was 'before' the beginning.
    Jesus was not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.

    John 1 v 3 Yes, all things made by Jesus as God's agent in harmony with Col. 1 vs 15,16; 1 Cor. 8 v 6

    John 1 v 14 Since God is uncreated and unbegotten then God's begotten Son can not be God.

    John 1 v 49 Yes, Nathanael believes as John [ 1 v 34] that Jesus is Son, Not God.
    John 11 v 27 Yes Martha also believes Jesus is Son , Not God
    John 10 v 36 Jesus himself thinks he is the Son of God, Not God.
    John 19 v 7 The Jews believed Jesus out to die because he made himself 'Son', Not God.

    Hebrews chapter one again 'worship' at verse 6 is in the sense of bow down [ 2nd Kings 2 v 15]
    Which one of the angels of verse 13 corresponds to Psalm [110 v 1] where there are two [2] LORD/Lord's mentioned. Not three Gods, but two LORD/Lord's.
    Only the LORD in KJV in all upper-case letters has God's name [ Tetragrammaton -YHWH]
    Lord [not in all capitals] stands for Lord Jesus, Not LORD God [YHWH]
     
  13. sincerly

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    Those other verses you posted attest to the very same fact. It was GOD the Holy Spirit who placed "God the SON" in the Womb of Mary in order to be "born as a human being".
    The plan of salvation was made/agreed upon before the foundation of the world was laid". Jesus was that "Lamb" promised to be slaughtered/slain for the propitiation of Sinful mankind.
     
  14. kylixguru

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    His perfection isn't that he never made any mistakes, but rather that he completed everything that he was responsible to complete they way it needed to be completed.
     
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    Kylixguru, would you be so kind as to show those "mistakes"?
    I agree that HE fulfilled all that HE was sent to Complete.
     
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    Sorry, I wasn't there with a camcorder to get that kind of footage.
     
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    Originally Posted by sincerly [​IMG]
    Kylixguru, would you be so kind as to show those "mistakes"?
    I agree that HE fulfilled all that HE was sent to Complete.


    You did without evidence/qualification affirm that Jesus "made mistakes".
     
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    Yes, I agree, I assume that, for example, if he shot baskets with his buddies that he didn't make every shot.
    I'm guilty of trying to suggest the notion that Jesus was an ordinary being of flesh and blood like everyone else.
     
  19. sincerly

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    I think you will, also, agree the such "mistakes" (if any) were not of the kind for which the penalty of death(SIN) was mposed.
    Agreed, Jesus took upon HIMSELF the Form of a human being so that HE could be our propitiation.
     
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    He was tempted, but he did not inherit the sin nature passed down to all mankind from Adam. The reason is he was not born of the seed of man, through which the sin nature is passed, but was born of the seed of a woman and by the Holy Ghost. That's why he had to be born of a virgin, so as to not inherit the sin nature from a man, thus fulfilling the first prophecy of him.

    Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Romans 5:12

    And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
    Genesis 3:15
     
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