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How dare Evangelicals talk about nixing homosexual marriage?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Pah, Oct 5, 2005.

  1. Pah

    Pah Uber all member

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    From an article in Christianity Today Magazine April 2005, an interview with Ron Sider, who is professor of theology, holistic ministry, and public policy at Eastern Baptist Theological Seminary, talking about his book The Scandal of the Evangelical Conscience (Baker Books, 2005).

    Seems to be a forest in the eyes of Evangelicals and they focus on the splinter of homosexual marriage. How dare they? How can this drive, this homophobic drive, take center stage in a "defense of the family"?
     
  2. Flappycat

    Flappycat Well-Known Member

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    Compare evangelical youth to atheistic youth who also participate in some extra-curricular activity. The evangelicals would be eating their livers out.
     
  3. Engyo

    Engyo Prince of Dorkness!

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    I can't quite parse out what your comment is aiming at here. Cannibalism? Please clarify.........
     
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    I think it's a spin on an old idiom. Basically, I meant that they'd be in fits of impotent rage and basically act like sore losers. I forget which book I read it in, but the author tended to use it pretty frequently if I remember correctly.
     
  5. Engyo

    Engyo Prince of Dorkness!

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    OK, I think I can parse it now......Thanks.
     
  6. michel

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    They are desperate - they will aim everything they can at homosexuals...........:rolleyes:
     
  7. Mike182

    Mike182 Flaming Queer

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    as far as i could read, the article is saying that we need to go back to two-parent families to raise the moral standard of our society

    this not only criticises homosexuals, but also criticises single parents, a lot of whom do a fantastic job with their kids under some of the most strenuous of circumstances

    not only this, but it shows all two-parent families to be 'better' than all other family types - which is not always the case

    and finally, he is basing his entire argument upon statistical evidence - shame on him! statistics are flawwed, his figures on "sexual prowess" are unbelievably flawwed, as this subject by its very nature is often concealed, how did he measure it? we know that the stats on domestic violence are flawwed, as we only record what is reported, and not all of it is reported! and his statisitcs on racist views are unbelievably flawwed, if he didn't ask EVERYONE from the groups he measured, how can he x% of the population think this or this - :banghead3

    quite frankly, he has no evidence to back up his unsubstantiated waffel

    C_P
     
  8. Pah

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    Yes, I would agree with that assessment - somewhat. I think it is a common perspective from evangelicals. But he also says that from that unit, there is a lot of immorality.
    With this I wholeheartedly agree.

    The polling statistics are by renown pollsters. There is always a confidence factor, not always stated, that should put the numbers into perspective and usually it is no more than a 5% range. The polls do not reflect a "reported" reality but one from personal anecdote. The number of ancedotes presented lend credence to the statements that address society. The author is certainly credentialed to speak of public issues

    I would prefer that the message and not the messanger nor how he got his message be addressed. If you have anything as substantial as what he relied on, I'd be happy to hear an adverse opinion.
     
  9. The Black Whirlwind

    The Black Whirlwind Well-Known Member

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    um, how does homo marriage factor into this? it seems he is saying that the male/female parental unit is better. I personally think it is, although my mom did a marvelous job of raising me herself, i think it would have been better if my dad was there more.
     
  10. Saw11_2000

    Saw11_2000 Well-Known Member

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    I've really had it with hearing people outraged about gay marriage.



    I know, that 50 years from now, we will look back on this just the way we do about black rights 50 years ago.
     
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    The Black Whirlwind Well-Known Member

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    i doubt it, unless christians start to cherry-pick their bibles and ignore the gay parts.
     
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    Saw11_2000 Well-Known Member

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    Over times, people have strayed further and further from the bible. Things that used to be unthinkable, such as divorce, are now readily accepted.

    Over time, regardless of what the Bible says or not, gay marraige will become accepted.
     
  13. scitsofreaky

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    LMAO. Um, they are cherry-picking their bibles to ignore everything but the "gay parts," you know all both of them. What about this verse:
    They are already cherry-picking. If they do stop cherry-picking, then I think we will be able to look back at this like we did with civil rights.
     
  14. michel

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    I don't think Christians would like to be told they are 'cherry-picking"; at least, not the devout sola scriptura ones.........you might do well to prepare yourself for a few posts on that, my friend.




    - Good one, I do hope you are right; only I hope for the sake of our homosexual friends here on the forum, that it will be so much sooner than that.;)
     
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    I know, and I am prepared. Any arguement against what I say will be an arguement against scripture, something they cannot do.
     
  16. linwood

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    So very true.
     
  17. Engyo

    Engyo Prince of Dorkness!

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    I can argue against scripture all day long. What I do need to accept, though, is that you and many others will not accept such arguments; just as I don't accept Christian scripture as validation of anything in particular.
     
  18. scitsofreaky

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    Oh, I can argue against it too. In fact I have. But they, meaning the Christians, cannot. But like you said, there is no point in arguing over its validity. But in this debate, they pick and choose what they want to get the desired results, and the only way to refute this to their satisfaction (if they can ever be satisfied) is with their own beliefs.
     
  19. Ernesto

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    Yes, does it not worry anyone else here that it took us over 2000 years to legalise gay marriage? Oh, religion does so much good for the world...
     
  20. Saw11_2000

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    Black rights took quote a long time, too.

    I think Britain started African slavery sometime mid-millenium. So about 500 years to give them rights?

    It's coming.
     
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