How could first big-bang explode?

[Ben Dhyan]

Science has it down to a fragment of a fraction of a second - what have you offered? Nothing. Not a word.
No there needs to be a scientific EXPLANATION and they are down to 42 zeros after the 1. What have you got?

Bunytip ol friend..it doesn't matter the precise point in time after beginning of the expansion....what is causing the expansion?

Now you have had so many guesses that have been shown to be wrong or evasive...it is time for you to show your graciousness as a loser and step down and let the next contestant step up to the plate....

 

[Bunyip]

Bunytip ol friend..it doesn't matter the precise point in time after beginning of the expansion....what is causing the expansion?

Now you have had so many guesses that have been shown to be wrong or evasive...it is time for you to show your graciousness as a loser and step down and let the next contestant step up to the plate....

All I am asking is why you think it would need a cause?, Seems a simple question, given you appear to think it is so important.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

All I am asking is why you think it would need a cause?, Seems a simple question, given you appear to think it is so important.

Because if there is an expansion, scientifically speaking, there is a cause...what that cause is, is what science is meant to establish.

The word 'science' is from the Latin 'scientia' meaning knowledge...it's about knowing why the expansion....unless the cause can be known...there is no knowledge...no 'science'....

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Because if there is an expansion, scientifically speaking, there is a cause...

But you're asking a question about an event which presumably occurred before the physical laws of the Universe (including cause and effect) came into existence, so there's no basis on which to assert it MUST have had a cause.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The current explanation is dark energy, but that is poorly understood. Dark energy is like anti-gravity, a repulsive force.

At last someone who apparently values reason as an attribute to learning..thank you. I will look into it....

 

[Ben Dhyan]

ben d, with due respect, perhaps instead of insulting people who are actually giving you answers to your questions you could be reasonable and respectful yourself, especially when you accuse people of not knowing "scientific basics" despite the fact that you are asking questions about basic science and therefore indicating that you don't know scientific basics.

Now, I'm going to write this in as simple terms as I can so that you don't miss the point, as you appear to do so very often:

At the point at which the Universe is expanding, it is conforming to some physical laws because by that point the physical laws existed. However, as to the origin of this expansion, the "moment" of its occurrence falls outside of what can currently be considered the "cut-off point" of known physical laws - including cause and effect.

If you insult me one more time for no reason whatsoever, you are being reported.

You don't even understand what is said to you...the question is about after the expansion has begun...why waste your time writing and mine reading irrelevant ramblings...

Now read .Spiny Norman's post and learn....

ps...it is not my problem nor that of RF admin that you are out of your depth...

 

[Desert Snake]

ImmortalFlame...do me a favour and read what had transpired before you jumped in.....from post #181 to #203....

Tell me truly who do you think is more consistently logical and reasonable as to what was being asked...myself or Bunyip?

Dark energy doesn't explain the big bang propulsion. Dark energy would then have to be explained as to why/how the impetus happened.
they don't know.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Dark energy doesn't explain the big bang propulsion. Dark energy would then have to be explained as to why/how the impetus happened.

We were talking about subsequent to the big bang. I'm not sure what you mean by "big bang propulsion".

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Dark energy doesn't explain the big bang propulsion. Dark energy would then have to be explained as to why/how the impetus happened.
they don't know.

Perhaps so disciple, I haven't had time to look into Spiny Norman's reference to the dark energy anti-gravity hypothesis yet...but it does seem you have quoted the wrong post to make your point...

 

[Desert Snake]

Perhaps so disciple, I haven't had time to look into Spiny Norman's reference to the dark energy anti-gravity hypothesis yet...but it does seem you have quoted the wrong post to make your point...

Sure.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sure.

No worries...I look forward to your contribution....

 

[ImmortalFlame]

ImmortalFlame...do me a favour and read with serious attention to what had transpired before you jumped in.....from post #181 to #203....

Tell me truly who do you think is more consistently logical and reasonable as to what I asked about...myself or Bunyip?

Bunyip. You expected immediate answers to complex (and not very well defined) questions. Bunyip gave brief answers in a reasonable and respectful way, to which you responded by posting a picture of a child wearing a dunce cap and behaving in a patronizing manner. Bunyip was clearly and obviously the more logical and reasonable.

ps...do you think I am a reasonably patient person after reading that?

My chance of believing you are either reasonable or patient went out of the window the moment you insulted my intelligence for daring to answer a question you asked.

 

[Mycroft]

There must be some expanse for it to explode.

It didn't explode.

 

[Mycroft]

No, I see Brahman as the uncreated (beyond the comprehension of the finite) and the material universe as His cosmic creation/play/drama in which Brahman can experience finiteness. In this play He separates Himself from Himself and returns Himself to Himself. In Advaita thought we are Brahman experiencing through the mask of finiteness.

Your entire post could have just been boiled down to, 'I don't know.'

 

[Desert Snake]

We were talking about subsequent to the big bang. I'm not sure what you mean by "big bang propulsion".

Unlike other matter, dark matter seems to be the surrounding /something/, that would propel matter, so, propulsion would mean propulsion into existence. We're back to square one. We don't really answer any questions utilizing dark matter, it simply 'is there', without an identifiable cause.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Bunyip. You expected immediate answers to complex (and not very well defined) questions. Bunyip gave brief answers in a reasonable and respectful way, to which you responded by posting a picture of a child wearing a dunce cap and behaving in a patronizing manner. Bunyip was clearly and obviously the more logical and reasonable.

My chance of believing you are either reasonable or patient went out of the window the moment you insulted my intelligence for daring to answer a question you asked.

Water finds it's own level...evolution works like that... In the mean time...God bless, and may the Bunyips and Immortal Flames of the world learn the true meaning of humility...

 

[metis]

If it doesn't apply to yourself...no sweat... BtwI, it was written tongue in cheek and was certain to get a rise from some...

Like so many things, it apparently went well over my head. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[metis]

...and may the Bunyips and Immortal Flames of the world learn the true meaning of humility...

And I'll second that motion.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Water finds it's own level...evolution works like that... In the mean time...God bless, and may the Bunyips and Immortal Flames of the world learn the true meaning of humility...

This, coming from the person who said:

Seriously...it is almost impossible to have a serious discussion with the like of people at your level of understanding. I know it may not go down with you to be told a home truth...but at the moment you are out of your league....I am not intending to sound condescending...but my advice is for you to humbly get out and live a little and get back to us in a decade or two...

Yes, certainly humility is your strong suit.

 

[George-ananda]

Your entire post could have just been boiled down to, 'I don't know.'

But I do believe quite a bit for which I feel certain are good reasons. And I wanted to share that with those who might be interested; that's what we do on RF.