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Featured How can you accept evolution and still have a spiritual reality, and/or a God faith

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by osgart, Jun 25, 2018.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    I know that there is such a study. I also know that your highly biased study makes you no more of an expert than I.
     
  2. Jose Fly

    Jose Fly Fisker of men

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    We'll see I guess. It is interesting though that on one hand he makes it clear that his "views are based on the Bible", but OTOH cites (anonymous) Christian scientists who "use science as evidence that Darwin was wrong".

    If the former is true, then the latter would be irrelevant.
     
  3. Jose Fly

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    That's rich coming from a person who referred to science as a "giant fraud factory". :rolleyes:
     
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  4. Audie

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    If I am wrong, I will treat you to lunch at Luke's Lobster
    in NYC.
     
  5. Subduction Zone

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    Yet we know that is not the case. We can find the ancestors of cats and dogs that is neither a cat or a dog.

    And posts like this makes your claim of studying biology for two years highly dubious. Change of kinds is a creationist strawman of evolution. The pine tree and oak tree have a common ancestor, that plant was neither a pine nor an oak.

    Really? Where are these details?

    You do realize that there is no evidence for this "breath of life" , don't you? This sounds like animism.Y
    You are trying to read into the Bible that which is not there. This is the result of biased study instead of rational study. It is why your supposed expertise is not worth much in a discussion.
     
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    The oh so polite, open minded, and "new" goes Jekel and Hyde.
     
  7. Jose Fly

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    Deal!
     
  8. Subduction Zone

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    You call less than one percent "plenty".

    No, the problem is that those very few scientists that oppose the theory of evolution do not use science to oppose that idea. In fact most of them work for sites and organizations that require them to promise to not to use the scientific method.
     
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  9. Audie

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    Opinions about the bible beat data any time.

    Try picking one (1) clesr falsehood snd stick with it.

    I predict another Code 3, ss he heads off to anothrr topic
    then another, aka thro' the treetops.
     
  10. Subduction Zone

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    I tried to quote him where he accused me of calling him an idiot, but ironically he does messed up using the reply button. His answer was buried in my quote so it vanished when I hit reply to that post. It was post 307.

    I failed at linking the post:(
     
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    Re your last line, I wonder how you can feel
    comfortable in your own skin, making up
    this profundly insulting charge against the
    integrity of so many people all around the world,

    You could not possibly know them, or this about them.
    How can you possibly get yourself to post such a
    blatant and rather mean spirited falsehood??

    Tell us you dont mean it!
     
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  12. Audie

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    They will come thick and fast now.
    You will grt one. Just avoid 'flock shooting"!
     
  13. Audie

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    Now, now, if I said I had spent two years studying
    Basketball, then started talking about the goalie
    and strike three,

    I would be just as believable!
     
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  14. Subduction Zone

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    I keep hearing variations on that. A poster on the Noah's Flood myth thread claimed to have four engineering degrees and then spewed several of the worst creationist PRATT's as if that made a point.
     
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    Variations include: I used to be an atheist so I know how you think; I am
    ahead of you on the path.

    Or

    For lo, yes, I, I was the worst of sinners,
    verily so, yes, but now I am freed, as you too
    can be!

    (Now gimme a hundred dollars that
    I will pass on to Gawd!!)

    Now, me, Audie, I used to be a defensive end, and look
    at me now!
     
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  16. Subduction Zone

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    It is possible that he had two years of biology in high school. Some U.S. high school biology is, and I hope you forgive me, God awful. It is taught by teachers that do not understand it themselves or even worse do not accept it.
     
  17. Deeje

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    You mentioned "outsiders looking in" so I was just explaining why this situation exists. What makes someone an "outsider" as opposed to an "insider"?

    I was born into that fractured system.....I left it decades ago.
    JW's are not part of the church system. We hold no beliefs in common, despite the fact that we are Christians.

    I make no assumptions about anyone. I stated that, from the Bible's perspective, we are all in one of two categories. Its that simple. By our 'natural' response to the Christian message we place ourselves in either one category or the other. There is nothing in between...its one or the other. Cut and dried....pure and simple.

    We are free to believe it or not. It hasn't got much to do with "self deception" (although that is true of some people) as much as it has to do with the test that we believe this life is, and whether we pass it.

    If you apply for a job that demands specific qualifications and you feel you have enough to do the job, but the recruiter identifies many areas where your qualifications are lacking, you have two choices. Either go back to school and refine your qualifications in order to get that sort of job, or try for a job that uses what you already have with no extra effort. The salary for the first job is 10 times what the second one pays. What will you do?
     
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    Awful? you said awful??

    When it is so much worse than that!

    Outside of some private academy, or the
    occasional exceptional teacher, I dont think
    they teach science at all.

    They do teach that you gotta memorize for the
    tests.

    It is a shame but industrial scale teaching and
    Quality hardly go together.

    Show me a kid who understands any of it
    and i will show you a rare exception.

    That creos are so mixed up is hardly a
    surprise. I bet most "evos" on the street
    get it just as mixed up.
     
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  19. Audie

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    I am starting to enjoy our talks. I am going to have
    to get some work done, and I want to take time for
    a thoughtful reply.

    Take care, see you later.
     
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    That is why I said God awful:

    Definition of GOD-AWFUL

    When I look at schools today I wonder if I was just lucky or if they did go straight downhill over the last forty years. The science teachers that I had did have degrees in the subjects that they taught. Switching from high school science to majors level science courses in college presented no difficulties. All of my high school science courses had significant lab work. So that was nothing new in college. I have a feeling that it is not in the budget for many schools these days.
     
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