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Featured How can the Jew reject, Jesus, Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Tony Bristow-Stagg, Dec 30, 2020.

  1. Skywalker

    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    Jesus being the Son of God doesn't mean that Jesus is not God. Is Christianity Polytheistic?

     
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    Jesus cannot be both God and the Son of God because God is not the Son.
     
  3. Skywalker

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    The term Son of God doesn't mean that God had a baby.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    It means that a person or group is very close to God, close like a son is close. For example, God calls Israel his first born son.

    The problem with the claim about Jesus is that it includes the claim about the holy spirit inseminating Mary. That DOES mean that God had a baby, which is insulting to God. It puts him on the same level as pagan deities.
     
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    I know that. It means what IndigoChild5559 said: It means that a person or group is very close to God, close like a son is close.
     
  6. Skywalker

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    The term Son of God is a reference to the Sonship of Jesus within the Trinity, not to the virgin birth. Jesus as the Son of God

     
  7. Skywalker

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    There are others meanings of son of God besides that. A believer is a son or daughter or God but they are not the Son of God. Jesus as the Son of God

    The expression the Son of God refers tot the Sonship of Christ.
     
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    Jesus accepting worship showed that he is God. Six Reasons Jesus Is God

     
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  9. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    I see no point in discussing, I see this passage is a prophecy;

    Mathew 15:14

    "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

    Pages of pointless discussion can not change that advice, no matter what side of the fence one stands on.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Before this thread vanishes, did we learn any acceptable and reasonable reasons why Jews can reject Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah?
     
  11. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    Yes CG, it is their own free will choice.

    I wish for You, Me and All people the best of choices.

    Regards Tony
     
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    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    It shows Jesus thought he was God, or the authors of the stories thought he was God.
     
  13. Skywalker

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    It shows that the claim that Jesus never said he is God, is false.
     
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    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    It works for those who agree that the NT is true.
     
  15. Skywalker

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    Not believing what Jesus taught is different from Jesus never implying that he was God.
     
  16. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    Understanding what Jesus offered is also an important factor.

    Considering Jesus as Christ said that there was much more to tell us.

    Regards Tony
     
  17. Skywalker

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    What do you believe Jesus offered?
     
  18. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    The vision and promise to enable us to embrace the Message given by the Father.

    Regards Tony
     
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    How can one believe that and reject Jesus saying he was God?
     
  20. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    As all I have to do is read sripture given by Jesus.

    John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him"

    1 John 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us."

    Exodus 33:20 "But He said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!”

    Such is the quandary we face.

    Now we know we do not see God but the Messenger, who is the Representitive, or Self of God amongst us and we can listen to what Jesus offered

    John 5:37 "And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form."

    So the Father will be another Messenger, who we will see His Form and Hear His voice, which is not seeing or hearing God in Essence.

    God does not have a mouth.

    I this verse Exodus 3:6 we can now consider a lot more, the verse says; "He said also, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God..." Baha'u'llah has offered that it was He that was talking to Moses through the burning Bush.

    Regards Tony
     
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