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Featured How can the Jew reject, Jesus, Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Tony Bristow-Stagg, Dec 30, 2020.

  1. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    We have been born on the edge of darkness and the Beginning of light, the light is the potential within us, but need to be brought out of us.

    This is why Jesus said we must be born again. We must, with the Spirit of Faith embrace the Messenger and be born into the Spirit to bring the light from us.

    Otherwise we remain focused in our animal self and forgetful of God.

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  2. Skywalker

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    John 3:19 says that light has come into the world, and people love darkness rather than light. Bible Gateway passage: John 3:17-21 - New King James Version
     
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    Okay, that's what happened.
    No, that is not exactly what happened. Jesus partially fulfilled the OT prophecies for the Messiah, but Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies for the End Times Messiah so Jews rejected Jesus

    Jesus said to beware of false prophets, Jesus never said to reject all prophets because they will all be false.

    No, that is not exactly what happened. Each one added something new, but he did not take anything from the former prophet or reinvent what he had....

    And Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah did not claim to be the final and complete version of Judaism, they did not claim to be ANY version of Judaism. Each one of them claimed to bring a new Revelation from God from which a new religion was established.
     
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    Isaiah 42 and 49 speak of the servant of the Lord, distinguished from Israel, who would seem to fail in his mission to Israel and yet be a light to the nations and yet will persevere until the job is done, and at the end of Isaiah 52 verse 13, it says that he will be highly exalted but first will suffer terribly, and the confession of Israel in the 53rd chapter, that we thought that he was dying for his sins, in fact he was dying for our sins, and it's the cost of his wounds that we're healed.

    Zechariah 12 mentions the people of Judea and Jerusalem looking to the one they've pierced and mourning over that. The mourning is the recognizing.
     
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    According to the Jews here (and Jews in general) he did not fulfill numerous prophecies the Messiah is charged with fulfilling. Not these end time prophecies, the prophecies the Messiah is supposed to fulfill while alive, while bringing the Jews home, while establishing his state on Earth.
     
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    Saying that the Messiah will reappear is no different from saying that there will be a second advent.
     
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    He said many will come,but beware for they are false prophets. He didn't say some, most, or a few, he said these people coming in his name are false prophets.
    That's how Jesus went from Messiah to prophet and the Messiah spot going back to unfulfilled in Islam. It's how Satan became the Devil. It's how they all put together for Bahai.
    This very thing was claimed on this very thread just a few posts up.
     
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    The prophecies don't state a second time. The messiah does it all in one go.
     
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    No, but a lack of fulfilling prophecy does.
     
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    Because they rejected both Messiahs.
    Jesus warned about false prophets, and rightfully so, because there have been many false prophets; but Jesus never said there would be no true prophets coming after Him. He said "Ye shall know them by their fruits" which indicates there would be some with fruits.

    Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


    Fruits: the pleasant or successful result of work or actions: FRUIT | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

    Or you can figure out how to put the puzzle pieces together so they fit together perfectly.
    You need all the pieces from all the religions to make the puzzle, first to last.
     
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    Well no it's more complicated than that.


    Who cares about that guy?


    Nah actually we don't.


    You are writing this as if all of those people follow the same Religion when that is not the case.
    You are also making the case for numbers equal whether one is right or wrong, which immediately means that your Religion is wrong as there are bigger Religions.

    I also don't see how "wiggling Jews" have anything to do with that.
    Please explain all the Jewish wiggling that upsets you.
     
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    One like a man is a reference to God being a human. God is not a mere man by definition, and if the Messiah was, the verse wouldn't say like a man. Son of man (Judaism) - Wikipedia

     
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    Because most people reject the Prophets.
     
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    Zechariah 14:4 mentions the Day of the Lord.

     
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    I believe that all these prophecies refer to Baha'u'llah.
     
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    Why would humanity need over a hundred thousand prophets to stay on the right path? The Bible's 66 books weren't written by that many prophets.
     
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    Where in the Bible does it say that the messiah will do it all in one go?
     
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    Do you believe that they refer to the second coming of the Messiah? I think Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah because they think it doesn't make sense that he would fulfill the prophecies in two comings and they think that anyone can say that they are the Messiah.
     
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    Who said anything about a hundred thousand prophets?
    It is important to note that not all prophets come to help us stay on the right path. Some come to predict the future and some are followers and promoters of the high prophets, which are the universal Manifestations of God.

    The Three Kinds of Prophets
     
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