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Featured How can the Jew reject, Jesus, Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Tony Bristow-Stagg, Dec 30, 2020.

  1. Skywalker

    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    That doesn't mean that Jesus meant he wasn't coming back to earth to build a kingdom, when he said my kingdom is not of this world.

    Jesus meant that he would be preaching to the spirits in prison when he said he would be no more. When his work of redemption was finished, he meant dying for our sins.
     
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    There would be no need for a different Messiah for his second coming. That's like saying the Messiah fulfilled all the prophecies in one coming.
     
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    Believe whatever you want to believe and keep waiting for Jesus with all the other Christians.
     
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    The Messiah did not fulfill all the prophecies at His first coming. That's why there was a second coming.
     
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    Do you think this is more likely, or there being two Messiahs?
     
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    I believe there were two Messiahs.
     
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    Jesus never said he wasn't coming back to build a kingdom.
     
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    Why do you reject the belief that the Messiah will fulfill all the prophecies in one future coming?
     
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    Because I believe that Baha'u'llah was the Messiah and He has already come.
    Whatever prophecies have not yet been fulfilled will be fulfilled during the Messianic Age in which we live.
     
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    Jesus never said he was coming back to build a kingdom, so why do you believe that?.
     
  11. Skywalker

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    Jesus told Peter in John 21:22

    That is relevant to Jesus never saying he wasn't coming back to build a kingdom, when he said his kingdom is not of this world.
     
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    That doesn't mean that the Bible supports the Messiah fulfilling all the prophecies in one coming.

    Why are we in the Messianic Age if there is no spiritual leader ruling from Jerusalem?
     
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    Then why won't you answer this question? Then you say you haven't even read Daniel 8 and don't really care?

    No you didn't answer my question. And for a Baha'i to say all prophecies have been fulfilled and then dodge questions about them? That's what's not good enough. But one thing for sure, you are right, you are the wrong one to ask.
     
  14. Trailblazer

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    I did not say that He would. I said there would be two comings.
    There are no scriptures that say there will be a spiritual leader ruling from Jerusalem during the Messianic Age.
     
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    I've asked Baha'is several times about the verse that says there will be wars and rumors of war but that is not yet the end. That seems to imply that if anyone claims to be the Christ and wars are still going on, then that person is not the Christ. And related to that... Are there any verses that have the tribulations continuing after the Christ has returned? Here the Baha'i "Christ" has come, died, and it's been over one hundred years since he's died, and the tribulations continue.
     
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    Why would there be a different body of the Messiah for his second coming? The creator of the universe could resurrect his own body.

    Messianic Age - Wikipedia

    Jesus will rule from Jerusalem because Romans 11:26 says

     
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    That's why I don't believe that Bahullah returned in 1868, even if I give the benefit of the doubt to the Messiah's kingdom wouldn't be established right away when he arrives. Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 19 - King James Version

    Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 20 - King James Version

     
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    I thought we both agreed to drop those prophecies.
    Let me ask you what difference it would make if I read the chapter. Why would my opinion matter?
    I sent you a link to an article written by a Baha'i who is knowledgeable about the Daniel 8 prophecies. Did you ever read it?

    https://bahaiteachings.org/new-understanding-perplexing-prophecies-daniel/
    I do not dodge questions about any prophecies except Daniel 8. I am not going to do the work that Abdu'l-Baha already did because that is a waste of time, since he was well-versed in the Bible and I am not.

    Why not ask one of the other Baha'is who are more familiar with those prophecies in Daniel?

    @ adrian009, @ Tony Bristow-Stagg , @ InvestigateTruth , or @ loverofhumanity
     
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    That verse says nothing about Jesus ruling from Jerusalem...
    This is what I meant when I said that Christians interpret the scriptures and try to make them mean what they want to believe, rather than what they actually say.
     
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    The book of Zechariah talks about Jesus ruling from Jerusalem, and Jesus was Jewish.

    What is the significance of the city of Jerusalem? | GotQuestions.org

     
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