Temptation is real. Satan even tempted Jesus.
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How can the Jew reject, Jesus, Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah?
Temptation is real. Satan even tempted Jesus.
It's about a remanant of Jews in the end times believing in Christ.
I believe that the Jews are God's chosen people because God used them to send the Messiah.
Do you think preterism is unbibical? I think it goes against Revelation reading like a book of warnings.
It made him the Singer named Prince. He was a singer before taking the name Prince.
That is what the Messenger offers, that is what the story of the virgin birth offers.
Regards Tony
It's similar to Christians are called children of God but not Children of God.
Trailblazer
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Shoghi Effendi makes it clear what the Baha'i position is regarding Christianity, what we are required to believe.
“As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized, that the reality of the mystery of the Immaculacy of the Virgin Mary is confessed, and the primacy of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, is upheld and defended. The Founder of the Christian Faith is designated by Bahá’u’lláh as the “Spirit of God,” is proclaimed as the One Who “appeared out of the breath of the Holy Ghost,” and is even extolled as the “Essence of the Spirit.” His mother is described as “that veiled and immortal, that most beauteous, countenance,” and the station of her Son eulogized as a “station which hath been exalted above the imaginings of all that dwell on earth,” whilst Peter is recognized as one whom God has caused “the mysteries of wisdom and of utterance to flow out of his mouth.” The Promised Day is Come, pp. 109-110
The New Testament writers included embarrassing details about themselves. They included embarrassing details and difficult sayings of Jesus. They left in demanding sayings of Jesus. They carefully distinguished the words of Jesus from their own. The New Testament writers included events related to the ressurection that they would not have invented. All four Gospels say women were the first witnesses of the empty tomb and the first to learn of the Ressurection.
Trailblazer
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As long as you keep using the Bible to try to determine who is right you will remain confused, because the Bible can be used to try to prove any of these religions are right, and there you are just standing at the side of the road, forever.
Why do you think that Christians twist things to make them look true? Can't you say that atheists and agnostics also might twist things to make their position look true? I believe that the amount of prophecies that support Jesus being the Messiah are more than the amount of prophecies that support Jesus not being the Messiah.
rosends
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OK, in that case, "no."
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It would be if it was possible, but in that case you will most likely be only able to discuss the text with other Jews.
I fully agree. Since no one cedes authority to the other, then trying to persuade is fruitless and rejection is automatic." This, then answers the initial post of "how can the Jew reject...?
What about the 144,000 who evangelize the Jewish people heavily during the Tribulation?
rosends
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None of that means anything to me. If your source material is in the "New" Testament, assume I'll ignore it.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, because I said: Who is to say one meaning is correct and the others are incorrect? Who was ever given authority by God to interpret the texts?
Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah was the Representative of God among men , so He was given authority to interpret the texts.
“Know assuredly that just as thou firmly believest that the Word of God, exalted be His glory, endureth for ever, thou must, likewise, believe with undoubting faith that its meaning can never be exhausted. They who are its appointed interpreters, they whose hearts are the repositories of its secrets, are, however, the only ones who can comprehend its manifold wisdom. Whoso, while reading the Sacred Scriptures, is tempted to choose therefrom whatever may suit him with which to challenge the authority of the Representative of God among men, is, indeed, as one dead, though to outward seeming he may walk and converse with his neighbors, and share with them their food and their drink.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 175-176
Trailblazer
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Yes it is real but I have a different interpretation of those verses.
Matthew 16:23-26 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
The way I interpret those verses is that Jesus was not talking to a real entity called Satan; Jesus was saying to Peter that the things that are not of God but are rather of men (selfish desires) are offensive to Him. Then Jesus tells His disciples to deny their selfish desires and to follow in His Way. For whoever will live for their selfish desires shall lose his eternal life, but whoever will sacrifice his life for the sake of Jesus and God shall gain eternal life. It is the soul that gets eternal life, not the body.
Jesus was saying to deny our selfish desires, things we want that are not of God, and to follow in His Way. For whoever will live for self shall lose his eternal life, but whoever will sacrifice his life for the sake of Jesus and God shall gain eternal life. It is the soul that gets eternal life, not the body.
So if we live for self and the worldly things we gain the world but we lose our soul in the sense that we lose eternal life.
Eternal life refers to a “quality” of life, nearness to God, which according to Jesus comes from believing in Him, and according to Baha’u’llah, comes from knowing Him and believing in Him. One can have eternal life in this earth world as well as in the spiritual world (afterlife).
I believe that Satan tempted Jesus in the desert. Jesus was talking about a literal Satan to Peter because Satan tempted him to turn stones to bread.
Why would there need to be prophets after John the Baptist? God does everything with an order and a purpose.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Why wouldn't there need to be prophets after John the Baptist? God does everything with an order and a purpose.
Because John the Baptist was a forerunner of Christ.