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How Can Evolution Destroy Faith In God?

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Sunstone, Nov 6, 2007.

  1. Guitar's Cry

    Guitar's Cry Verisimilitudinous

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    Keep in mind that in order for something to be considered a psychological disorder, cultural influence needs to be taken into consideration and the behavior needs to be distressing or harmful to the person or a danger to the community. Expressing an ethical or philosophical argument is in no way a disorder.

    That said, your assertion is wrapped within your own social and ethical norms. They do not hold for everyone. This is the crux (in my opinion) of the evolution vs. creation battle (and why I chose the medical science issue to focus on). Two worldviews (cultural norms, specifically) clash based on different practical purposes. Evolution serves humanity in a scientific and technological way, and creationism serves humanity in a meaningful and psychological way.

    The problem is, the shared view of reality isn't always shared. Which interestingly, is where "insanity" comes from.

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    The argument is often for psychological health; qualitative over quantitative.
     
  2. angellous_evangellous

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    It's rhetoric and not a professional diagnosis of psychosis. :D
     
  3. Guitar's Cry

    Guitar's Cry Verisimilitudinous

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    Often, that is a problem of the professionals as well. :D
     
  4. angellous_evangellous

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    Whatever it takes to get people to move from a bankrupt religious ethic to a more humane philosophy.:computer:
     
  5. Guitar's Cry

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    Still wrapped in a specific cultural norm, though! :p

    But, I do agree in some ways. I just want to emphasize that just because I think someone should believe or follow a specific philosophy, that doesn't mean they should. :) (Be it evolution or medical science.)
     
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    I believe you're mistaken. He started out Christian, and ended up atheist. I think this was in part a reaction to the early death of his beloved daughter.
     
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    Appreciate your honesty, rare in a creationist. Good example of how YEC is basically anti-science and an attempt to reverse the enlightenment.
     
  8. angellous_evangellous

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    :rolleyes:
     
  9. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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  10. Autodidact

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    O.K. In any case, not Christian at the end.
     
  11. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Which seems to have NOTHING to do with evolution.
     
  12. bradleykavin

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    the book is stories, ways to make humans understand. it doesnt need to be taken completely literally. its the ideas behind the book, that makes it divine, if in fact, it is divine
     
  13. Aasimar

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    That help at all?
     
  14. Autodidact

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    Thank you, Aas.
     
  15. zenzero

    zenzero Its only a Label

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    Friends,
    We are in the scientific age and only believe in what is scientifically prooved.
    Evolution theory is based on scientific facts BUT God is only an imagination.
    Existence is a fact and so there is no use in words which do not mean the same for everyone.
    Bible too has goofed up in creating the world in 7 days, Adam & Eve etc. Yes they are stories to try and make us understand the unsaidable is understood but not to be taken as facts like GOD.
    Love & rgds
     
  16. Autodidact

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    I actually had this happen on another board. I was explaining/persuading the ToE to a young Christian. When he realized I was right, he realized that he had been lied to about this subject, which contributed to his questioning of his faith. When he accepted ToE, he also rejected his religion, and is an atheist today. It was quite wrenching for him, as he left behind a God to whom he prayed daily, and whom he saw as a source of comfort. YEC proponents should be warned that by bundling belief in God with an obviously false myth, they are creating a vulnerable religious faith.
     
  17. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    More accurately, we are in the "Information Age"... just ask Time! :D
    You don't believe in Love and Loyalty? How droll of an existence is that for you?
    For many of us, God is an observation.
    What are you trying to say here? I don't understand your meaning which is kind of ironic (doncha think???)
    Whet evidence do you have on this? Any eye witnesses? It appears that you believe something that has not been PROVEN scientifically.
     
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    Ohh, guess who's bought the System message hook, line and sinker...

    Not to a Freemason. Ask one of them about the Architect, Evolution and the Law of Nature. All freemasonic doctrines, with roots in the East...
     
  19. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Yet another proselytizing atheist! One who is proud of her accomplishments at that! :D
    All religious faith is vulnerable, including atheism. It's not difficult for others to poke holes in our otherwise unassailable logic and understanding. When this happens we either adjust our paradigm or discard it all together. Nothing seems to be more compelling than the atheist turned man of God, or the opposite.
     
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  20. Autodidact

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    1. Do you have a problem with proselytizing? Or is it only when atheists do it that it bothers you?
    2. I wasn't proselytizing anything, least of all atheism. I persuaded him of the truth, well supported by modern science, that new species arise from old ones by descent with modification plus natural selection.
    3. You missed my point entirely. I wasn't trying to deconvert him, on the contrary. But because his religion was bound up with something that is obviously false, as soon as he realized this he lost his entire religious faith. YEC can pose a real risk to Christian faith. It would be smarter for Christians to be honest and accept the actual age of the earth and origin of species, than to link their religion to something which can be shown to be false.
     
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