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Featured How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by ayin, Dec 29, 2020.

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  1. Skywalker

    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    I meant that God desires knowing us, like parents don't want their kids to be estranged from them.
     
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    Yeah but God told me it wasn’t. He said anything that He declares would be seen in reality and the Bible doesn’t make the cut. I consider holding scripture sacred to be idolatry.
     
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    I believe that John said that Jesus is God because John said Jesus pre-existed with God in heaven and created the material world.
     
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    John talked about Jesus being God, which is consistent with my belief that God died for everyone. Jesus as Preexistent Son of God


     
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    I am. Guess that makes me a god now.
     
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    The angel of the Lord at the burning bush told Moses I am. Jesus was identifying himself with God without making people think that he was God the Father.
     
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    What does that have to do with the fig tree? He called people ugly names. Whitewashed tombs, dogs, broods of vipers, and children of Satan are not terms of endearment.
     
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    I’d like to see the scholarly journals that back that up.
     
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    That doesn't mean you can elevate Kermit above Jesus. Jesus said those things to convict, not to condemn, people.
     
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    Let me save you some time: I think John is heretical. I give absolutely no ducks about what he thinks.
     
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    There is no arnthropological evidence that the ancient Caananites and Egyptians believed things like, this is a relationship with God, not a religion.
     
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    This contradicts the story of the Good Shepherd, who is not so lazy as to just shrug when his sheep needed help.
     
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    What makes John hereterical within a Christian context? He taught things that were consistent with the four gospels. The Gnostics taught salvation through knowledge, which is not consistent with what Job said about God being his Redeemer in Job 19:25.
     
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    He was executed for breaking Roman laws. He ran from death until he couldn’t run anymore. I’m not impressed with someone who begs God to get out of the situation he helped create.
     
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    God doesn't move the hearts of all people that they be saved because of free will. God didn't design the course of history so that all people will be saved.
     
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    But John doesn’t know that.
     
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    There is a reason there are the synoptic gospels and lonely little John.
     
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    So God is negligent.
     
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    Jesus came to earth to die for our sins. To do so he would have to be accused of breaking Roman laws. Jesus was executed because they didn't like that he was speaking the truth-he didn't create the situation of the crucifixion. He came to the earth because he was born to die.
     
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    Whether you believe John or not, the Gospel of John still supports Jesus Christ being God.
     
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