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Featured How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by ayin, Dec 29, 2020.

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  1. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Are you saying that angels can be God????
     
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    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    Yahweh, the Triune God.
     
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    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    The angel of the Lord was the title the Son of God used in the Old Testament. Jesus is not Michael the archangel.
     
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    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    Jesus is a member of the Triune Godhead of Yahweh.

    Jesus can be the everlasting Father because all fathers are also sons.

    If Jesus was a mere man with authority given by God, how could he have existed before Adam?
     
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    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    A believer is a son or a daughter of God.

    What do you mean Jesus was given life by the Father? Jesus was God the Son. Son also has titles not related to being God's creation. Lucifer is called the son of the morning.

    Adam never said anything like I and the Father are one.
     
  6. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    NEVER SAYS "YAHWEH THE TRIUNE GOD." Unfortunately you made that up to justify yourself, just like others do when explaining scripture or interpretations. Never implies it, but apparently to you and other trinitarians, it does. It's sad, you are showing me many things, because you are moving away from knowledge and reality.
    But It DOES mean that LORD in capital letters is the coverup by misleading translators for YHWH as demonstrated in the holy scriptures. Yahweh, or Jehovah is not spelled as Jesus. In English, Greek, or Hebrew. Lord is an entirely different Hebrew word from YHWH.
     
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    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    Do you think Jesus being born of a virgin is why He is the Son of God? Muslims believe that Jesus was born of a virgin but they reject the term the Son of God. Adam was not born of a virgin. Jesus came from the realms above and he was not a junior deity. During the baptism of Jesus the Son and Spirit were seen together.
     
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    In the light of Philippians 2:9-11, it's worth reading Isaiah 45:22-24.
     
  9. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Aside from the fact that Jesus was no "mere man." Although he was a man. He came from heaven, but was not God on earth, equal to two other godpersons. Of course he existed before Adam. He was with God. If you will discuss the scriptures as they are without saying that God is a trinity of three equal godpersons, or that YHWH means a trinity, maybe we can get somewhere. But until then -- it's probably HANN, :) And hope you keep learning. Good you know that LORD is really the coverup for YHWH. YHWH in Hebrew is not spelled lord or Yeshua (Jesus).
     
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    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    At best, all you can show is that there is a plurality in the forces of creation. And that ignores all the gramatical information coming from rosends.

    The Trinity (Father+Son+HolySpirit) is NOT implied or hinted anywhere in Jewish scripture. It's a fabrication. Who ever is telling you this, pastor, websites, whatever. They are misinformed. Anytime you look for it in the text, it will be a failure.
    If it's in the New Testament, but not in the Torah, it's not Judaism. I'm not interested in it. You're welcome to continue the debate with non-trinitarians on it. Please let me know when you have it all sorted out.
    I'm not a Rabbi. I'm not depending on their interpretation. I'm basing it on the story in the New Testament, your scripture. Jesus both adds and removes from the law. He tempts people with god-like power if they follow him. Eating his flesh and drinking his blood for eternal life is an occult practice. God is Love is a greek concept. He was a guru starting his own religion, and it worked. That's not what it means to be the Jewish Messiah. The Torah says the Jewish messiah will bring world peace. If someone thinks that Jesus is the Messiah, they are denying that aspect. When there's world peace, let's talk.
    I don't believe in an Anti-Christ nor in one world government. :D
     
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    Yahweh is the name of the Godhead who created everything, and Jesus is the second person of the Trinity.

    The title Lord applies to Jesus because he said why do you call me Lord Lord and not do the things that I say?
     
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    Do you think Jesus was self existing like God? Jesus being the firstborn over all creation was a reference to his divinity.

    YHWH is not the spelling of Yeshua. Yeshua is part of the Godhead that is Yahweh. The Bible doesn't mention the word Trinity but it mentions the Godhead.
     
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    You Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians. You deny that God came into the flesh, you say a created angel became flesh, as if that were not enough, you claim Jesus did not die on a cross.
     
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    The Trinity is a plurality within the one God that we all know exists from nature. It's not polytheism.

    The Jewish scriptures talk about the plurality of God.

    The communion is symbolic of Jesus dying for our sins.

    God was long-suffering in the Tanakh.

    Jesus was not a guru. Most Jews and Gentiles who he preached to rejected him.

    Daniel mentioned that the Son of Man (a term for Jesus) coming on the clouds, will have dominion in the future. Jesus wasn't meant to fulfill abc and xyz in one coming. He will fulfill more when he arrives on the Mount of Olives.

    The Antichrist is a reference to the future, not to Roman persecution. Preterism has less textual support than futurism.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Since Jehovah is a jealous God, it doesn't make sense that he would create a junior deity.
     
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    But worshipping it is idol-worship. Father+Son+HolySpirit is an idol. If you can somehow divorce The Trinity from Father+Son+HolySpirit, let me know.
    Jewish scriptures talk about egyptian sorcerers too. Just because they exist doesn't mean it's OK to worship them.
    It's an occult practice.
    Whatever you say...
    So I guess there weren't crowds of people following him like the Christian bible describes? Anyway, his popularity doesn't matter. He had disciples, he was their master. He promised eternal life if they would follow him. That's a guru.
    ... wishful thinking. Get back to me when it actually happens.
    I already told you, I don't believe in the Anti-christ. No one can prove that Jesus Christ is the messiah, nor that the Christian bible has any value for a Jewish person. That makes this whole anti-Christ concept completely worthless for me.

    I'm done discussing this with you skywalker. I wish you only good things, and I'll let you have the last word if you want it.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    The trinity is not upheld by scripture. Jesus, the SON of God, left heaven where he was beside the Father. He said the Father is greater than he is. Jesus died on a stauros, stake, or beam of wood. Anyway, have a nice night.
     
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    Jewish Scriptures talk about Elohim in the plurality, and we are supposed to worship Elohim.

    The long-suffering of Elohim shows that he is a loving God. God being love isn't just a New Testament concept.

    How could God give us eternal life without dying on the cross? A judge can't just let a criminal go free. We can't stand in the presence of God with our sin. We are not perfect. It would be an insult to the holiness of God if he just forgave us without dying for our sins. God died for us like a lawyer who would take the place of a criminal.
     
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    No, it wasn't. See how easy that is?
     
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