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Featured How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by ayin, Dec 29, 2020.

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  1. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    lolol, thanks.
     
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    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    Jesus submitted to the Father. When Jesus was on the earth only the Father knew when he would return.
     
  3. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    It's amazing, Skywalker, how it can be twisted. How about the ice, water, and steam idea? :)
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Yet! You say Jesus is God equal to the other two godpersons, right?
     
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    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    Humans are like a Trinity. We are composed of body, soul, and spirit.
     
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    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    There is a distinction between the role of Jesus and the role of the other members of the Trinity. Jesus incarnated, not God the Father or the Holy Spirit.
     
  7. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    lolol.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    There's just no getting away from it. lol. Jesus said the Father is greater than he is. No getting away from it. I don't know about you, but if a person says someone is greater than he is, it means to me that the person is greater than he is.
     
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    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    What about the KJV supporting the divinity of Jesus? NIV Chips Away at Doctrine of Jesus Christ

     
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    Yes, the mirror is that David was a righteous king.

    My last point was made in response to your 'what?'. I'm interested to know whether you think of yourself as part of Jacob, or part of Israel.[/QUOTE]
    Jacob and Israel are synonyms for the nation.
     
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    Jacob and Israel are synonyms for the nation.[/QUOTE]

    Jacob would be the perfect metaphor of the nation of Israel being a servant because Jacob is the name of a person. Isaiah 52:13 and Isaiah 53:12 never mention the expression my servant Jacob.
     
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    What does this say?!?
     
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    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    Isaiah 52:13 says, "Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high."
     
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    Yes...?
     
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    Isaiah 53:12 also doesn't mention the servant being Jacob or Israel.
     
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    That's because it already explained who the servant is in a previous chapter.

    Gerry walked to the beach.
    The water was blue and the sand, warm to the feet.
    He had a great time.

    The "he" in the third sentence is probably George, since it doesn't mention "he" being Gerry, right?
     
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    There was no reason for the stories about Jesus being the Messiah to be a fabrication. They didn't write their testimony earlier because the New Testament writers were living in a culture where the vast majority of people were illiterate, there was no initial need or utility in writing it down. First-century people in Palestine, by necessity, developed strong memories in order to remember and pass on information.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Back to Hebrews as Paul wrote to some: "We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain, because you are dull of hearing. 12Although by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to reteach you the basic principles of God’s word. You need milk, not solid food!" You're not showing scriptures at all to show that Jesus is God equal to two other godpersons making up one entity.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Do you know why there is a difference? "By" the way, if I go by route 66, it means I took route 66. Unfortunately, you're striving to support each and every proposition offered to bolster up the trinity theory. To me it's like evolution. Unsupported except for grasping straws, but striving to make it real. And people aren't going to give up the evolution theory in "essence" if they don't want to, or don't see it differently.
    Many Bibles use the word through rather than by, I see. As I said, if I go by a road to get somewhere, it can mean I'm using that road to get where I'm going. Have you looked it up in an interlinear regarding the Greek? Because -- Strong's Concordance (you've heard of that, haven't you?) says -- the Greek there at John 1:3 means: through, on account of, because of.
     
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    No, the words are not about Jesus, they are about the temple.

    Is the temple not of value to you? Does the destruction of the temple not have significance in Judaism?

    These words of Jesus demonstrate that he was a prophet. He prophesied the destruction of the temple.
     
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