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Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Earthtank, Jan 14, 2020.

  1. Earthtank

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    Hello RFers,



    I do not intend nor hope for this thread to be controversial and hope it does not become one, even though I will bring up controversial topics

    Many people through various media and social media outlets are quick to label people with all kinds of labels simply because, they do not like what they are hearing. Now, I am not talking about people (Tommy Robinson, David Duke, Hitler to name a few) that are purposely inciting hate and violence by spreading lies and making stuff up. I am talking about people that are talking facts. Use this example “A man cannot be a woman (and vice versa), no matter how many pills or surgeries they have” this is scientifically true fact that can be empirically proven, its not a statement made out of feelings, emotions or any biases. Yet, once that statement is uttered people get shut down, post taken down and cited for either breaking the forum rules and/or being label as a transphobic. Here is another example, “Under international law, the Israeli settlements in Palestine are illegal” this will get labeled as Anti-sematic even though its 100% true. Homophobe, xenophobe, Islamophobic, Anti-Semitic, transphobic and the list goes on and on and on.



    My question, is how are we expected to communicate to each other when facts, not feelings, are being used to drive the conversation but, then get shutdown and shut out because someone’s feelings get hurt? And the excuse used is that this (insert label above) when the intent is never meant to be offensive.
     
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    If the intent of the communication is to manipulate/motivate others then feelings/emotions are way more effective than facts. If you don't want this to shut down a discussion then I suggest you find a way to limit other people's abilities to control your emotions.
     
  3. Earthtank

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    I am not sure I would describe it at trying to "manipulate/motivate" others, its more of when X person states an unbiased fact to Y, Y tends to reply with feelings and emotions. How are X and Y supposed to communicate?

    Luckily, I do not have this problem as I never let my emotions get the best of me during a debate/conversation that is supposed to be about something objective. although, i have spoken to many people, including many on this forum that let their emotions get the best of them, that is when i stop replying.
     
  4. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Don't expect it in an informal setting like here. ;0)
     
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    Some important reminders:
    • What you think are "the facts" are not necessarily the facts.
    • Facts are largely irrelevant when it comes to human life and living.
    • Emotions are not a bad thing and are the primary driver of human behavior.
    • If you have questions about moderation of this site specifically, remember Rule 2 and feel free to chat with us in Site Feedback.
     
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    That's about right.

    Some seem unable to separate the discussion from their emotions. I don't know how to get around that other than as you say, end the discussion.

    Sometimes people connect on an emotional level and they are happy in that communication. That happens often on forums. That's what they are looking for. You can't expect to be able to reason with everyone. There are also those you can, so you pick your discussions. After a while you start to know the personalities you are dealing with and kind of know what to expect from each.
     
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    Not really. Often pro-Palestinians propagandists will use 'Jews' and 'Israel' interchangeably. This is inappropriate and aims to confuse people about the political situation. It takes advantage of confusion rather than helping to purge it. Criticism of Israel's choices is political and is 100% allowed on RF. In fact we have endless threads about this.
     
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    It depends on where you are. Some things shouldn't be discussed at the dinner table. Take into consideration this is a religious discussion forum, and our goal is friendly and civil conversation. We aren't here to settle scores or to help anyone achieve political aims.
     
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    You choose a public venue then, such as your voice. Try talking to people on the street or print up some flyers. You can also make a web page, blog etc. Some people get themselves a Reddit channel.
     
  10. Earthtank

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    Great point
     
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    I would say i agree with that as long as your way of life and living does not effect others.
     
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    I completely agree with this, slowly but surely i have began recognizing the same names on these forums and know who to reply to and who to avoid. thanks.
     
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    Sometimes they are the same people/person and sometime they are not but, i see what you are saying.

    I would not agree with that, personally. I do not think its everyone's aim and as you said those terms are often used interchangeably. The other reason i would not agree with your statement as it seems like as you saying that is their (ill) intent and motive
     
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    Agreed however, when coming to such a forum, one should expect that their will be things they disagree with to be voiced (and at times very loudly). At that point, we have a choice 1) ignore it 2) speak out with supporting evidence in order to make our case or 3) Use personal attacks and whine (unfortunately, this is the most used option) thus, only making our "enemy stronger"
     
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    The motive I say is political as it is political propagandists who interchange 'Jews' and 'Israel'. Anyone familiar with religion ought to know they aren't the same thing. On RF we require that political debate draws a line at politeness, and admits 'Israel' is a country not 'The Jews'. Jews are a religious group here, and we don't allow that. If somebody wants to conflate them with Israel just to get a reaction they may provide their own venue for doing so.
     
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    Its a Religious forum and is for friendly encounters not for settling political scores or achieving political effects. Its not provided by the US government. Its not a public forum. Its membership only.
     
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    So you would technically disagree then? It is utterly impossible for one's way of life and living to not impact others. Everything on this planet (and beyond) is interconnected. Though I suppose if you want to shoot yourself into outer space in a personal pod that has only you in it, that might come close enough to not impacting others. Except for those non-terran life forms that observe you millions of years from now as the light reflecting off your ship reaches one of their telescopes...
     
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    Seems you have extremely taken my words out of context. What i meant was if you are an atheist or a theist, that's fine, believe or disbelieve in what you want but, don't try to impose your beliefs and values on me. If you want certain pronouns used that are entirely subjective and not back by an data that's your prerogative but, don't try and impose that on me either. If you don't eat pork, drink beer or have sex before marriage that all fine and dandy but, don't try to impose that on me. I hope this clears things up and puts things more in context.
     
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    Rule 8. "... Stating opinions as a definitive matter of fact (i.e., without "I believe/feel/think" language, and/or without references) may be moderated as preaching."
     
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    Thats a good point. It's important to remember to point out its a personal view.
     
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