How are we doing post-Brexit?

[ChristineM]

My point is that Britain should not complain, because the countries of the Mediterranean area are facing huge losses because of the €...
So...I think that the EU has not been a good idea...
I mean...post-Maastricht EU.

No they should not compain, they made the decision even if it was based on misinformation, out right lies, racism and a less thsn 50% majority.

No the country's of the med are facing losses due to incompetent government and always have, wherever possible the EU have bailed them out

 

[Estro Felino]

No the country's of the med are facing losses due to incompetent government and always have, wherever possible the EU have bailed them out

Why don't they let us exit the EU, then?

 

[Altfish]

My point is that Britain should not complain, because the countries of the Mediterranean area are facing huge losses because of the €...
So...I think that the EU has not been a good idea...
I mean...post-Maastricht EU.

But we were doing fine in the EU; we weren't in the Euro block

So our current woes are self-inflicted

 

[ratiocinator]

Why don't they let us exit the EU, then?

If the Italian government wants to leave they can invoke article 50 just like any other member state. The first point in article 50 states: "Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements."

Article 50 TEU: Withdrawal of a Member State from the EU (pdf).

 

[Estro Felino]

If the Italian government wants to leave they can invoke article 50 just like any other member state. The first point in article 50 states: "Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements."

Article 50 TEU: Withdrawal of a Member State from the EU (pdf).

...as soon as we bring it up Frau Merkel starts having convulsions and begs us to reconsider.

 

[ratiocinator]

...as soon as we bring it up Frau Merkel starts having convulsions and begs us to reconsider.

So what? She can't stop you. If an Italian government wanted to leave, they could. The only barrier is internal Italian politics.

 

[ChristineM]

Why don't they let us exit the EU, then?

The choice is yours, don't blame the EU for your own political biases

 

[Altfish]

 

[Estro Felino]

The choice is yours, don't blame the EU for your own political biases

I do not have biases.
I believe all Europeans are my brothers and sisters. They are not strangers to me. They are family. So the British can do the exact the same things as before Brexit in my country.
Travelling and same trade rules.

 

[ChristineM]

I do not have biases.
I believe all Europeans are my brothers and sisters. They are not strangers to me. They are family. So the British can do the exact the same things as before Brexit in my country.
Travelling and same trade rules.

Except against the EU

Wrong, as has already been demonstrated by the problems with VAT, customs tariffs and returned goods between the UK and the EU

 

[Estro Felino]

Except against the EU

I don't have bias against the EU.
I just dislike it.

 

[Secret Chief]

UK firms plan to shift across Channel after Brexit chaos

Well, brexiteers this is a shock. Hope you aren't losing YOUR job because of your vote.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't have bias against the EU.
I just dislike it.

Is that so???

 

[Martin]

I'm an Irish National, so I'm feeling smug... Apart from the potential price rises and shortages...

 

[Altfish]

I'm an Irish National, so I'm feeling smug... Apart from the potential price rises and shortages...

Must admit, I wish I could apply for an EU passport, no such luck though

 

[Martin]

Must admit, I wish I could apply for an EU passport, no such luck though

You could play the long game and move to Scotland or Northern Ireland.

 

[Altfish]

You could play the long game and move to Scotland or Northern Ireland.

Scotland is viable but when you are nearly 66, the long game isn't very attractive

 

[Altfish]

 

[Kooky]

My point is that Britain should not complain, because the countries of the Mediterranean area are facing huge losses because of the €...
So...I think that the EU has not been a good idea...
I mean...post-Maastricht EU.

I see that sentiment a lot among ethno-nationalists on the Internet, but I've yet to see a coherent argument in support.

It's easy to compare factual hardship to fictional pleasantries. It's a considerably greater challenge to think through alternate scenarios and observe the possible negative consequences along the alleged benefits.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

ISo the British can do the exact the same things as before Brexit in my country. Travelling and same trade rules.

Nope.

They left the market and abandoned the treaty that assured freedom of movement of goods and people, because apparently they thought these things were so horrible.

This was their choice.