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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by loverofhumanity, Feb 27, 2017.

  1. loverofhumanity

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    You got me there! Just as well they aren’t a regular event. But if there were comets posing a grave danger to earth don’t we have the missile defence systems that could be used to alter their course?
     
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  3. Vinayaka

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    Not if they're BIG ones. lol.
     
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    No, that guidance has not changed. Each beleiver must consider this in their life.

    Regards Tony
     
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    One huge reason I love Catholicism is because its a practice religion not a study one. I couldnt get through Revelationa well when I first read the bible through. Catholicism you live it. So what you call symbolism of the Eucharist I see literal because when everyone comes together it makes christ spirit (and I believe in spirits) present in communion. Blood meaning life made literal sense since we cant live without blood. Wine has symbolism to blood and life in other cultures I remeber reading. Another things about blood is say when two soilders fight, they fight "for blood." The celebration of a good battle with wine and bread. Its a reacurrant theme of the literal nature of peoples religious thought are tied to food.

    Roman Catholicism, via the saints and theologist writings as well as pope writings in the encyclicals helped a lot with abstract words such as love and such. Unlike Othorodox, they did find ways to describe the Eucharist and transubsatiation. Now I understand it literally.

    If god can do anything, why would a christian second guess jesus physical resurrection? That doesnt make sense.

    I was turned from christianity because of lack of belief in god not the bible. I couldnt find anything positive in the bible, does not matter if its analogy or literal, that Id want to apply to my life. The negativity and black and white view is a huge turn off.

    I honestly dont know how it works for everyone else. Anyone can interpret thou shall not kill or murder anyway they want but the issue is that life-taking is in scripture whether it beba lesson or literal. Sacrifice is in scripture. The message of death brings life is a total turn off. Catholic history doesnt help. Protestants likewise.

    Its a negstive religion that many people have been drawned to for centuries. Its like watching the Romans kill prisoners in the pit and the townsman cheer them on in their criminals sin. Id think we were pass that.

    Eastern traditions take on a different approach. The Buddha isnt an athiest nor agnostic so I didnt switch because of that. He promoted life. Why would I follow someone who died to save when I know in order to save someone you have to be alive to do it? How can someone be saved by someone who died over a thousand years ago?

    Some things are literal. If not, why are they facts and why debate them as if they are real?

    If its all symbolism, what are you really debating about?
     
  6. TransmutingSoul

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    Building on land you own, by the people that own it, is not even close to what you suggest. All that have achieved this had opened their doors and invited people in. Good on them.

    No rude toe in the door needed.

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    Prehaps, but magnetic force is part of the latest innovations in space travel

    NASA - Propulsion Systems of the Future

    Personally I see a bigger breakthrough will result, I would think that perpetual motion will result.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Indeed - he studied religion as a child and his writings show that he took those studies far more seriously than "the other boys" don't you think? That is precisely what his sister testified about his childhood and half of the argument I have been making so far.

    Say what? He learned to read the Qur'an, 'Attar and Rumi etc. but he didn't study 'religion'? More Baha'i double speak methinks.

    With whom he is known to have spent time - in his youth - 'discussing' the teachings, laws and traditions of Islam - presumably among other topics. The other half of my argument.
     
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    I guess it is up to you to find out what was required education to become a knowledgeable person in Arabic and Persian Language and Religious studies.

    Baha'u'llah would have had what we see as basic school learning. (Which like the Bab, was not neccessary) This in no way explains His Innate Knowledge that could not be matched by the most learned and educated people that spent many years in deep study.

    As Baha'u'llah has said, he did not attend their schools.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Dear @InvestigateTruth - I did try to make it easier earlier by using different colours - here it is again quoted exactly from your post with the bits that appear in the English translation* as direct quotations form "the Gospel" in red and Baha'u'llah's narrative in blue:

    In another passage of the Gospel it is written: “And it came to pass that on a certain day the father of one of the disciples of Jesus had died.” That disciple reporting the death of his father unto Jesus, asked for leave to go and bury him. Whereupon, Jesus, that Essence of Detachment, answered and said: “Let the dead bury their dead.”

    The point is - it is irrelevant to my argument whether or not the man's father had actually died (we could argue about that 'til the cows come home and there would be no conclusion - it is relevant that there is more than one option here - he might have already died, or he might not an there might be some other explanation for the disciple's lack of enthusiasm for taking up his calling by Jesus. The Bible does not say - Baha'u'llah claims it does say. It really is that simple and it is an error - even if the "Baha'i view" refuses to accept it.

    * I am still awaiting @Sen McGlinn 's response on the reliability of the translation of this passage from Persian and whether it is reasonable to assume that Baha'u'llah really meant that first part to be a direct quote or not. I suspect it is reasonable to assume he did and that he made the same, reasonable assumption that you did (i.e. that the man's father had died) and inadvertently inserted an idea into a quote that is not explicitly in the Biblical account he was 'quoting'.
     
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  11. TransmutingSoul

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    This is more on that subject;

    Schooling

    As He grew up, Bahá'u'lláh desired no schooling. He received a little customary education at home, in riding, using a sword or gun, good manners, calligraphy, poetries, and the ability to read out the words of the Qur'an.

    Despite a lack of education, Bahá'u'lláh shone forth in wisdom and ability, and all who knew Bahá'u'lláh were astonished. It was usual for them to say, that such a child will not live beyond maturity.

    Letter
    To His aunt, when still so young in years, the Child Bahá'u'lláh wrote this remarkable and most literate letter:-

    "He is the Well-Beloved! God willing you are abiding restfully beneath the canopy of Divine mercy, and the tabernacle of His bounty. Although to outward seeming, I am little and cannot write, yet because this Illiterate One is clinging to the Divine Lote tree, He can read without knowledge and write without being taught. And this fact is clear and evident in the spiritual realm to those endowed with insight. Those who are outside have been, and still are, unaware of this mystery."

    As a very young child he was aware of who he was.

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    He's not wasting his time. We're all listening and learning from him and everybody else here.
     
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    But didn't a Baha'i say that it's up to the leaders of the nations to bring about peace? Come on Doctor Baha'u'llah you fix it. Same with the economy.
     
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    The Doctor administers the remedy, the body must heal itself. The body must accept the given remedy for that process to happen.

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    What is the primary source for this letter? So far, I can only find references to an article written in 2008 by David Merrick.
     
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    Sure it is, but of course we both already knew we differ on the concept of proselytizing. Maybe Aup has actually been to the one in Delhi, and has a sense for it, but I doubt it.

    So there are guidelines, but as Adrian said, they're not at all binding. Every Baha'i' is free to go against the guidelines if he/she so desires?
     
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    So Jews should have disregarded all the beliefs that Jews and Baha'is consider wrong and have become Christians?
     
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    I've often wondered what exactly I'm getting saved from.
     
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    Said Doctor might be a quack. When my Dad was coming out of anesthesia, in that temporary deluded state, he was cursing out the 'horse doctor' who'd operated on him. So we never know.

    I don't really mind the analogy, other than for the insinuation that we're all diseased, and need fixing. It's the Abrahamic view that we're all 'sinners', whereas in the dharmic view, at the core, we're all divine.
     
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    And so Brahman, Siva and Nataraja are your three Great Beings? ...... Or the first of your Great Beings?

    And do they have knowledge of, and interest in, you?
     
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