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Innnteresting.
You're not selling me with Bahaullah being indirectly hidden in the passage when all the passages so far quoted had to do with God's nation, God's people, and Jesus himself (as according to Christians). Other than the name, Bahaullah would have to literally be in the bible in order for his importance to make sense since everything is pointing to God's chosen people-the Jews-not anyone else.
Well, Christians say that there were prophecies in the Torah on up that lead to jesus. Bahai say there were prophecies leading to Bahaullah. I understand christian views because every gospel has jesus' genealogy back to Abraham so there no one needs to try to find a reference anywhere.
If Bahai had their own writings that didn't refer to the bible as part of their religion (as Islam sees Christ etc) then it's fine. Another issue is history. History can tell us events that we think happen but they can't tell us prophecies. That's all human self-prophecy and synchronicity. Sorry, out of fancy terms at the moment.
Only Bahai think Bahaullah is a prophet from the bible. As someone who doesn't believe in god, both of you guys do so I don't see the difference.
That and mormons believe jesus as their lord and savior, the bible, and a creator so they are christian.
Bahai says similar but instead of wrong, just the original teachings have been misinterpreted by the people who a lot of you feel aren't following their teachings properly. I never got that abrahamic view of the world. I was raised in it but it always picked a my last nerve.
I don't understand how location is important in a spiritual oriented text. I know you guys don't believe in the literal resurrection, but let's say it is literal, there doesn't need to be historical and scientific evidence to prove it. Spiritual facts have different criteria of validity. (Was talking to an atheist about this, actually).
You're not selling me with Bahaullah being indirectly hidden in the passage when all the passages so far quoted had to do with God's nation, God's people, and Jesus himself (as according to Christians). Other than the name, Bahaullah would have to literally be in the bible in order for his importance to make sense since everything is pointing to God's chosen people-the Jews-not anyone else.
Baha'u'llah does not appear in the Bible, for exactly the same reason as Jesus does not appear in the Tanakh. The Jews could not see Jesus fulfilling their prophecies and the Christians can not see Baha'u'llah fulfilling theirs.
Well, Christians say that there were prophecies in the Torah on up that lead to jesus. Bahai say there were prophecies leading to Bahaullah. I understand christian views because every gospel has jesus' genealogy back to Abraham so there no one needs to try to find a reference anywhere.
If Bahai had their own writings that didn't refer to the bible as part of their religion (as Islam sees Christ etc) then it's fine. Another issue is history. History can tell us events that we think happen but they can't tell us prophecies. That's all human self-prophecy and synchronicity. Sorry, out of fancy terms at the moment.
Only Mormons believe Joseph Smith heard from God.
Only Bahai think Bahaullah is a prophet from the bible. As someone who doesn't believe in god, both of you guys do so I don't see the difference.
That and mormons believe jesus as their lord and savior, the bible, and a creator so they are christian.
We are Baha'is and believe in Baha'u'llah. So the Christians see us as lost souls just as everyone else. As the Jews think Christians have got it wrong, Christians think Baha'is have got it wrong.
Bahai says similar but instead of wrong, just the original teachings have been misinterpreted by the people who a lot of you feel aren't following their teachings properly. I never got that abrahamic view of the world. I was raised in it but it always picked a my last nerve.
Muhammad and Islam emerged from the Arabia Peninsula so the locality is very significant. Persia is much more significant though. As the Jewish King David prefigured the Jewish Spiritual King Jesus, the Persian King Cyrus (the anointed one in Isaiah 44:28. Isaiah 45:1-2) prefigured the Persian Spiritual King Baha'u'llah.
I don't understand how location is important in a spiritual oriented text. I know you guys don't believe in the literal resurrection, but let's say it is literal, there doesn't need to be historical and scientific evidence to prove it. Spiritual facts have different criteria of validity. (Was talking to an atheist about this, actually).