BucephalusBB
ABACABB
I know absolutelly nobody who likes them! Why are they still on tv really?
It's not like they can really sing or so..
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Homosexuality is not a sin!
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I know absolutelly nobody who likes them! Why are they still on tv really?
It's not like they can really sing or so..
Almost a double, you also got it Because heterosexuality is natural for you, you think homosexuality is unnatural for anyone Good, it is a cultural thing and if I were to live in predominantly homosexual society/culture I would be that odd one, having said that, what would give me any rights to demand that they change their stand? What makes you think this: As for reproduction, unless you oppose celibacy, you're being inconsistent. Of course, that doesn't surprise me. I have sex once a year on my birthday so a I am used to celibate, no great deal though as I am 61 years of age and no longer reproducing and I have none of the urges that some talks about (Up to 13.95% of men in the U.S. either identify themselves as Gay, or have had a homosexual experience) it was a long time ago that I understood that love and sex are to different things, plus I live in a society that defines marriage as the union of a man and a woman so I dont want to marry all those that I love, there are more to this emotion than have sex, I am told that these uncontrollable urges are treatable.
Or having the Mardi-Gra on the news and having to switch channels 20 times to avoid seen the re-runs. Or the protests and the freak parades.
Diederick
Active Member
Okay, that was too much information - we really don't need to know how often you have sex. I don't see how this could possibly be helpful to the debate.
Are you saying you no longer have the urges that 13,95% of the population has or has had? :areyoucra
Love is a word which, like many words, has several definitions. You don't fall in love with everyone you love, you fall in love with someone who plays in on your hormones. Love as in being fond of, is quite different. I love pizza, but I don't have sex with it. :sarcastic
You were told wrong. :yes:
Craiky boys we do understand each other, I am on the 85.2% of Hispanic Latinos that don’t have abnormal urges and think that homosexuality (the urge) is not a sin but that acting upon them disqualifies them from a normal Christian Church and that if popular consultation is ever call in this country I will vote against redefining marriage to accommodate this behavior, which really brings my participation on this discussion to an end.
Diederick
Active Member
At last, he gives up. :bow:
To be honest I haven't yet had enough of his opinion on what is 'normal' and how he feels about homosexual 'behaviour'. I like reaching a conclusion, not this retreating - returning to living in his own small world believing what he liked to believe, even though he secretly knows he is wrong. I'm not helping him is what I'm saying. Then again it's hard to reach a conclusion on on-line forums...
Well, at least that's one less series of posts one has to read three times in order to get some understanding of what he might be saying.:slap:
BucephalusBB
ABACABB
That's what some say about me when it comes to atheism. I have learned that way that it is impossible to know what another person really thinks as long as he keeps saying the opposite. At least on forums.
Diederick
Active Member
But you don't retreat from debate. There is something as true or not true, and if you're in a debate you try to figure out which it is. If you retreat from a debate, restating your first position which up until then was without any backing up, it seems pretty obvious to me that you're admitting you lost but don't feel like changing your mind yet. And that sort of upsets me. A bit.
BucephalusBB
ABACABB
But you don't retreat from debate. There is something as true or not true, and if you're in a debate you try to figure out which it is. If you retreat from a debate, restating your first position which up until then was without any backing up, it seems pretty obvious to me that you're admitting you lost but don't feel like changing your mind yet. And that sort of upsets me. A bit.
Yeah, I kind of disagree again
"There is something as true or not true,"
This is where you asume you are true.. He thinks he is. In fact both of you know you are right. In some cases it is indeed wiser to avoid unnecessary parroting..
Also, the purpose of a debate is not to win.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
http://wichitafalls.yourhub.com/WichitaFalls/Blogs/Life/Philosophy/Blog~318210.aspx
Over the course of 20 years of pigeon breeding, I found a few remarkable occurrences, which gave me more than a little pause for thought.
Very occasionally, I raised a male or female bird, which would have nothing to do the opposite sex. In fact, they seemed to be driven to attachments for the same sex. It is a common known, and documented observation among pigeon breeders that if you have too few males in an open nesting loft, that the females will form what would otherwise be known as strong relationships. In fact, most of those behaviors will parrot the male and female relationships with one exception; they produce no young, but in every other respect, seem to be a completely committed ‘couple’. They build a nest, occupy the same nesting box, hand out together, etc. They are ‘at each other in many other ways usually consigned to the male and female relationships.
I have also raised ‘male’ birds that seemingly had only an interest in other ‘male’ birds, no matter how many unmated hens (females) were in this type of ‘open nesting’ situation.
Now I am not making some sort of argument, about human sexuality, nor the ‘religious discourse which so demarcates this topic, but I will say, in nature, among the pigeon population, there is some basis for a smidgeon of room for doubt about a final, absolute, from on high dictum. Nature, within the pigeon population does not line up with such metaphysical views, nor does it line up with common, everyday myths of pigeon monogamy.
Some pigeons, if you raise enough of them are stark homosexuals. Now one cannot say, in the pigeon’s case that ‘environment’ in fact, contributes to this so-called choice of attraction. Humans can say stuff like that if they wish, and they do, but baring the absolute fact that bird populations do not have a ‘religious metaphysic’ which EXPLAINS all of life, the reason for the apparent ‘homosexuality’ (in this case, a misnomer) is NOT explained by neither a religious commitment, nor one which arises out of ‘culture’, it frankly, is a biological fact of the case.
Now, ‘homosexuality’ is an incorrect term for describing our avian neighbors, apparently, genetically driven behaviors, as homo refers to ‘man’, yet I am not aware of a better, descriptive term for our avians which do not fit the mold. Maybe some really smart folks can enlighten me on this term.
Over the course of 20 years of pigeon breeding, I found a few remarkable occurrences, which gave me more than a little pause for thought.
Very occasionally, I raised a male or female bird, which would have nothing to do the opposite sex. In fact, they seemed to be driven to attachments for the same sex. It is a common known, and documented observation among pigeon breeders that if you have too few males in an open nesting loft, that the females will form what would otherwise be known as strong relationships. In fact, most of those behaviors will parrot the male and female relationships with one exception; they produce no young, but in every other respect, seem to be a completely committed ‘couple’. They build a nest, occupy the same nesting box, hand out together, etc. They are ‘at each other in many other ways usually consigned to the male and female relationships.
I have also raised ‘male’ birds that seemingly had only an interest in other ‘male’ birds, no matter how many unmated hens (females) were in this type of ‘open nesting’ situation.
Now I am not making some sort of argument, about human sexuality, nor the ‘religious discourse which so demarcates this topic, but I will say, in nature, among the pigeon population, there is some basis for a smidgeon of room for doubt about a final, absolute, from on high dictum. Nature, within the pigeon population does not line up with such metaphysical views, nor does it line up with common, everyday myths of pigeon monogamy.
Some pigeons, if you raise enough of them are stark homosexuals. Now one cannot say, in the pigeon’s case that ‘environment’ in fact, contributes to this so-called choice of attraction. Humans can say stuff like that if they wish, and they do, but baring the absolute fact that bird populations do not have a ‘religious metaphysic’ which EXPLAINS all of life, the reason for the apparent ‘homosexuality’ (in this case, a misnomer) is NOT explained by neither a religious commitment, nor one which arises out of ‘culture’, it frankly, is a biological fact of the case.
Now, ‘homosexuality’ is an incorrect term for describing our avian neighbors, apparently, genetically driven behaviors, as homo refers to ‘man’, yet I am not aware of a better, descriptive term for our avians which do not fit the mold. Maybe some really smart folks can enlighten me on this term.
Diederick
Active Member
We are in disagreement.Yeah, I kind of disagree again
We cannot both be correct, so one of us is wrong. We both think we are right and that the other is at fault - hence we try to see which it is.
No, I agree. It is to conclude.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Well true, but not my point. It's not about majorities. What I'm saying is that something might be natural for one person, but not another. It's natural for a left-handed person to throw with his left hand. It would not be natural for you (unless you're left-handed.) It's natural for me to be lesbian and you straight; we're not all the same, and that's O.K., we don't have to be.
To respond to your question, you should not have the right to demand that they be gay as well. You should have the right to be allowed to be yourself, as long as you'er not bothering them.
So, according to you, not me, and your morality, not mine, once a year you violate your own moral code?
Sad for your wife.
It can be separate, but when joined, it's wonderful.
Who does? How would that even work?
I don't know about uncontrollable urges, but if you're having them perhaps you should consult a professional. I don't have that problem.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Very interesting information from Mr. Cheese, and a good example of why these discussions are occasionally productive.
Mr. Cheese: Are you familiar with the lesbian albatrosses and gay penguin dads?
Mr. Cheese: Are you familiar with the lesbian albatrosses and gay penguin dads?
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Gay penguins, yeah...
they had some in the Bronx zoo... a few years back
never heard of the Albatross ones, but I am not really surprised
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
http://www.examiner.com/x-6190-Denver-Gay-Parenting-Examiner~y2009m3d22-Welcome-Denver-gay-parents-and-lesbian-albatrosses
There are many other sources, but I cite this one because I am the Denver Gay Parenting examiner.
There are many other sources, but I cite this one because I am the Denver Gay Parenting examiner.
Alceste
Vagabond
Auto, you probably already picked up on this study, since you're on the ball, but here's a link just in case:
Metro - Same-sex coupling exists in most species: Study
Metro - Same-sex coupling exists in most species: Study
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Thanks Alceste, good stuff.
I grew up catholic, so this is what i was taught was a sexual sin. Having gay sex, having sex outside of marriage, having protected sex (and/or using birth control), getting divorced and having sex with your new spouse, masturbation. thats just off the top of my head. Also, i don't know anywhere in the bible that said that it was ok for heterosexuals to commit the same sexual activities with one another that homosexuals do. Is it ok in Gods eyes for a man and a woman to commit sodomy? So while people all like to point to scripture and criticize one another, just remember to take the log out of your own eye before you point out the spec in your brother's. I'm not saying this to pass judgement on anyone. Just to point out that maybe none of us are in a position to judge.